Hi pj1 thanks for the advise/guidance!! i understand what you are saying and i am trying to get together all the info to go ahead and i must say i detest paying the council anymore than what i do i.e to empty my bin and and well thats all i can say.... my back lane never gets cleaned, i have not used the fire service in all my life nor the police and i pay for everything else like water insurance TV LICENSE, car insurance and so on so sorry i aint paying to do this, myself any my partner live in the house, cant have kids so no need to move ever!!!, i understand what you are saying and although i have not mentioned certain things i do plan to implement them when doing the conversion so at the end of the day as far as i am concerned it is loft storage and if they say what is the bed for i will reply for the spiders, but dont think it will come to that, i am putting veloux windows in which meet fire regulations as the escape will go straight onto my flat roof of an extension which has been put on the house, smoke alarms will go in without a doubt, electrcis will be done with a certificate to authenticate the installation, Chappers is helping me along with heights of head room i.e stairs and so on so if the council want to have a look it will be done to the regs or close to but hey it is storage space lol anyways if you can help me with advise it would be much appreciated as you seem clued up on this money grabbing con of building regulations. Regards Ian p.s hope your not a buildings reg's officer lol and no i aint telling you my address