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[motorbiking]

I answered all this in replies to Charlie George. Sometimes far left ideologies use similar authoritarian tactics to fascism in order to enforce their ideology. But the ideologies themselves are totally different. Fascists will kill or deport certain minorities because racial superiority is a fundamental tenet of fascism. Communists might kill or deport certain minorities if they fear they are opposing them or frustrating their objectives. The outcome might be the same. But only fascism is built on the basis of ethnic purity and the hatred of minorities.

bit like antisemitism seems to be a common value among the left wing. perhaps, because they were/are the ones in power. i.e. the old stereotype of the Jewish business owner.

 

[MNW67]

Do you know what a left wing racist is called?

Your question doesn't make any sense. Is this a riddle/joke or a genuine question. Can you explain a bit more about what you want to know.

 

[charliegolf]

Do you know what a left wing racist is called?

A racist?

 

[MNW67]

bit like antisemitism seems to be a common value among the left wing. perhaps, because they were/are the ones in power. i.e. the old stereotype of the Jewish business owner.

No, nothing like that. I can't really understand what you are getting at. Are you defending fascism. Anyway, those classic anti-Semitic tropes are used almost exclusively by the right. The so called anti-Semitism on the left is much more about Palestine and what many call Zionism. But I don't want yet another thread on that.

 

[motorbiking]

Are you defending fascism.

Of course not.

I'm pointing out correctly that there were plenty of Left wing Fascist movements and racial hatred is neither a left or right wing thing. Antisemitism existed in left wing politics well before Isreal existed.

 

[SPLINE]

Will people stop posting AI texts please.

There is nothing intelligent about AI, it is just another search engine, gatherng information from.the Internet.

 

[MNW67]

Of course not.

I'm pointing out correctly that there were plenty of Left wing Fascist movements and racial hatred is neither a left or right wing thing. Antisemitism existed in left wing politics well before Isreal existed.

Name some historical left wing fascist regimes.

 

[motorbiking]

Name some historical left wing fascist regimes.

The British Union of Fascists and Fascist Union of British Workers.

The very definition of leftie Fascists when they were formed.

 

[MNW67]

I asked for some examples of left wing fascist regimes.

I will help you out. There aren't any.

You are confusing fascism with basic authoritarianism.

 

[MNW67]

AI Overview

'was british union of fascists left wing'

While the British Union of Fascists (BUF) under Oswald Mosley is firmly classified as
far-right, drawing inspiration from Mussolini's Italy and Hitler's Germany with racist, antisemitic, and nationalist ideologies, it did possess significant "left-wing" economic elements, such as anti-poverty, job creation, and corporatist policies that appealed to some working-class members, though these were often secondary to its core authoritarian and racial agenda.

Far-Right Characteristics:

• Nationalism & Imperialism: Strong emphasis on British strength, unity, and empire.
• Racism & Antisemitism: Openly racist, anti-Jewish, and anti-immigrant policies, leading to violent clashes with anti-fascist groups like at the Battle of Cable Street.
• Authoritarianism: Modeled after fascist states, creating a paramilitary "Blackshirt" movement.
• Anti-Democracy: Rejected traditional parliamentary democracy, promoting a strong, centralized state.

"Left-Wing" Economic Appeals:

• Social Welfare: Promised an end to poverty, house building, and job creation.
• Corporate State: Advocated for Trade Unions to play a central role in economic decision-making, albeit within a fascist, state-controlled framework.
• Populist Rhetoric: Used revolutionary language and anti-establishment themes to attract working-class support, including ex-socialists and communists.

Conclusion:

The BUF's ideology was a complex, eclectic mix, but its core was rooted in the authoritarian, racial nationalism of European fascism, making it a far-right movement. However, its populist economic promises created a "left-wing strand" that attracted a significant working-class following, even as Mosley prioritized middle-class and ex-officer leadership and suppressed genuine working-class wings.

 

[motorbiking]

I asked for some examples of left wing fascist regimes.

I gave you some

I will help you out. There aren't any.

Ahh so you wanted there to be none.

You are confusing fascism with basic authoritarianism.

Alexander Miles was a former socialist who became a prominent member of the British Union of Fascists (BUF) in the 1930s

You seem to like using AI. Get it it read this to you:

https://academic.oup.com/tcbh/article-abstract/13/1/38/1717118?redirectedFrom=PDF

 

[MNW67]

I gave you some

Ahh so you wanted there to be none.


Alexander Miles was a former socialist who became a prominent member of the British Union of Fascists (BUF) in the 1930s

You seem to like using AI. Get it it read this to you:

https://academic.oup.com/tcbh/article-abstract/13/1/38/1717118?redirectedFrom=PDF

So, you have found one conflicted person in the whole history of fascism and you believe you know more than every history professor. I have never understood this obsession of some on the right to try to prove that fascism is anything but an extreme right wing ideology.

 

[motorbiking]

So, you have found one conflicted person in the whole history of fascism and you believe you know more than every history professor. I have never understood this obsession of some on the right to try to prove that fascism is anything but an extreme right wing ideology.

seems like you've started with a hypothesis that you might want to challenge. I have little knowledge or interest in the subject, the whole left and right thing is nonsense, just different ideas that should not be subject to binary categories. but it took me 2 mins to find at least one paper examining fascism within left wing politics. Not to mention the obvious clue in the name Fascist Union of British Workers.

If you read that article it disagrees with you, when you consider the origins. Nobody is disputing what it is today. Perhaps the author is smoking something. Either way, his article is published for critical review.

 

[MNW67]

seems like you've started with a hypothesis that you might want to challenge. I have little knowledge or interest in the subject, the whole left and right thing is nonsense, just different ideas that should not be subject to binary categories. but it took me 2 mins to found at least one paper examining fascism within left wing politics. Not to mention the obvious clue in the name Fascist Union of British Workers.

If you read that article it disagrees with you, when you consider the origins. Nobody is disputing what it is today. Perhaps the author is smoking something. Either way, his article is published for critical review.

AI Overview

'was the fascist union of British workers left wing'

No, the Fascist Union of British Workers (FUBW) was not a left-wing organisation; it was a component of the far-right British Union of Fascists (BUF). However, the BUF and the FUBW did use "left-wing" rhetoric and had some former socialists among their membership, which has led to some confusion and academic study on the topic of "left-wing fascism".

Context of the FUBW

• Parent Organisation: The FUBW was the industrial/workers' wing of Sir Oswald Mosley's BUF, founded in 1932.
• Ideology: The BUF was a fascist party that modelled its ideology on Mussolini's Italy and Nazi Germany, promoting virulent antisemitism, extreme nationalism, and a corporatist economic philosophy. These core tenets are fundamentally far-right.
• Recruitment Strategy: The FUBW was an attempt to attract working-class support, particularly among trade unionists, by arguing that immigrants were taking their jobs and promising national salvation from socio-economic ruin. It used populist, anti-capitalist, and seemingly radical language to appeal to this demographic, leading to its "left-wing" label in certain contexts.
• Internal Conflict and Suppression: The "left-wing" elements, including ex-socialist leaders like Alexander Miles, eventually created a contradiction within the BUF. Mosley distrusted a strong, independent working-class wing, leading to the liquidation of the FUBW and the purging of many ex-socialists from leadership in 1933–1934.
• Opposition: The broader labour movement and established trade unions were strong opponents of the BUF and FUBW, often engaging in violent clashes with them, most famously at the Battle of Cable Street in 1936. Anti-fascist groups, including the Socialist Workers Party, formed leagues like the Anti-Nazi League to actively oppose fascist actions.

In summary, while the FUBW employed some rhetoric and included individuals with past links to left-wing parties, its core ideology was firmly rooted in far-right British fascism.

 

[motorbiking]

In summary, while the FUBW employed some rhetoric and included individuals with past links to left-wing parties, its core ideology was firmly rooted in far-right British fascism.

try "was the fascist union of British workers origin left wing"