migrants commit less crime, proportionally, than British citizens

rds60h said:
I cannot see what the argument about "All Illegal Migrants are Criminals" because the simple and truthful answer is "Yes, They Are" Anyone who arrives in Britain without any Identity Papers or a Passport has broken the Law. "Criminal Offence: Under the Immigration Act 1971 and subsequent legislation like the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc.) Act 2004, it is an offence to knowingly enter the UK without leave or proper documentation."
Therefore every single Illegal Migrant is a Criminal, so what is there to argue about ?
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No argument, it's just the lair Notchy who is boiling over and without any shame twists others' words.
In his tiny brain he's convinced that if he shouts "racist", people run away.
That probably happens in his white communist village where they've never seen a foreigner.
Us from London got so used to the Communists' slimy tactics that we just laugh at them.
Put the rapist hugger to strict proof of what he claims and he disappears.
Then a few pages later he makes the same claim hoping to obtain a different result.
No dignity.
 
johnny2007 said:
No argument, it's just the lair Notchy who is boiling over and without any shame twists others' words.
In his tiny brain he's convinced that if he shouts "racist", people run away.
That probably happens in his white communist village where they've never seen a foreigner.
Us from London got so used to the Communists' slimy tactics that we just laugh at them.
Put the rapist hugger to strict proof of what he claims and he disappears.
Then a few pages later he makes the same claim hoping to obtain a different result.
No dignity.
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I know what you mean, I live in Luton and White British are the minority in the town. I've just had a go at the Labour MP for Luton Rachel Hopkins who chases to Muslim vote by supporting Free Palestine, going on their Protests, being a member of a Pro Palestine Group, sending letters to all Constituents to inform them of what she has done to "Help Aid to Gaza" and her Anti Israel stance, end of last week she posted a photo of her and some local dignitaries at a local synagogue celebrating Hanukkah, just shows how two faced and twisted they can be to chase any votes they can get.
 
rds60h said:
I cannot see what the argument about "All Illegal Migrants are Criminals" because the simple and truthful answer is "Yes, They Are" Anyone who arrives in Britain without any Identity Papers or a Passport has broken the Law. "Criminal Offence: Under the Immigration Act 1971 and subsequent legislation like the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of Claimants, etc.) Act 2004, it is an offence to knowingly enter the UK without leave or proper documentation."
Therefore every single Illegal Migrant is a Criminal, so what is there to argue about ?
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Just a bit of Googling for context:

AI Overview

No, an asylum seeker entering the UK is not automatically a criminal
, as the right to seek asylum is a human right under international law. However, recent changes in UK law have made it a criminal offence to arrive in the UK without a valid visa, which effectively criminalises most asylum seekers' mode of entry.
Here's a breakdown of the legal situation:
  • Right to Seek Asylum: Under the 1951 Refugee Convention, which the UK signed, anyone has the right to seek asylum in another country and to remain there until their claim is assessed. The Convention recognises that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means (e.g., without a passport or visa) to escape and should not be penalised for this, provided they present themselves to the authorities without delay and show good cause for their illegal entry.
  • UK Law Changes: The Nationality and Borders Act 2022 and the Illegal Migration Act have created new criminal offences relating to how a person enters the UK. It is now an offence to arrive in the UK without the required entry clearance (a visa), and there is no specific visa for the purpose of seeking asylum from abroad. This means that most people, by the very act of arriving to claim asylum, commit a technical criminal offence.
  • Prosecution: While the act of irregular arrival is technically a criminal offence, prosecutions only tend to be pursued if there are aggravating factors, such as using violence or making financial gain. Most asylum seekers are not criminally prosecuted solely for the act of arrival, but are instead processed through the administrative immigration system.
  • Legal Status: An asylum seeker is someone who has an ongoing claim for refugee status that has not yet been determined. They are legally allowed to remain in the UK while their claim is being considered. If their claim is successful, they are granted refugee status and have a legal right to reside in the UK.
In summary, while seeking asylum is a legal right, the method of entry often breaches current UK immigration law, making the act of entry a criminal offence for which a defence may be available, but it does not automatically make the person a "criminal" in a general sense.
 
MNW67 said:
Just a bit of Googling for context:

AI Overview

No, an asylum seeker entering the UK is not automatically a criminal
, as the right to seek asylum is a human right under international law. However, recent changes in UK law have made it a criminal offence to arrive in the UK without a valid visa, which effectively criminalises most asylum seekers' mode of entry.
Here's a breakdown of the legal situation:
  • Right to Seek Asylum: Under the 1951 Refugee Convention, which the UK signed, anyone has the right to seek asylum in another country and to remain there until their claim is assessed. The Convention recognises that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means (e.g., without a passport or visa) to escape and should not be penalised for this, provided they present themselves to the authorities without delay and show good cause for their illegal entry.
  • UK Law Changes: The Nationality and Borders Act 2022 and the Illegal Migration Act have created new criminal offences relating to how a person enters the UK. It is now an offence to arrive in the UK without the required entry clearance (a visa), and there is no specific visa for the purpose of seeking asylum from abroad. This means that most people, by the very act of arriving to claim asylum, commit a technical criminal offence.
  • Prosecution: While the act of irregular arrival is technically a criminal offence, prosecutions only tend to be pursued if there are aggravating factors, such as using violence or making financial gain. Most asylum seekers are not criminally prosecuted solely for the act of arrival, but are instead processed through the administrative immigration system.
  • Legal Status: An asylum seeker is someone who has an ongoing claim for refugee status that has not yet been determined. They are legally allowed to remain in the UK while their claim is being considered. If their claim is successful, they are granted refugee status and have a legal right to reside in the UK.
In summary, while seeking asylum is a legal right, the method of entry often breaches current UK immigration law, making the act of entry a criminal offence for which a defence may be available, but it does not automatically make the person a "criminal" in a general sense.
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You're confusing illegal immigrants with asylum seekers.
 
AI Overview

Yes, breaking the speed limit is a
criminal offence in the UK,
 
In reply to MNW67, You state "No, an asylum seeker entering the UK is not automatically a criminal" Firstly I would claim that 99% of those who arrive by dinghy are not asylum seekers because they are not "someone who has fled their own country due to persecution, war, or serious human rights violations" they are young males seeking easy money for nothing. Any true asylum seeker would have family members with them, you do not leave those dearest to you in a dangerous situation that by you leaving on your own would make it even more dangerous for those you leave behind. But I digress, in the section UK Law Changes that you state, it says " by the very act of arriving to claim asylum, commit a technical criminal offence." Technically or not it is still an Offence, therefore they are Criminals, even by your statement.
 
diy_fun_uk said:
I will however caveat my post by saying people who think migrants are the main issue when it comes to crime are, quite frankly, narrow-minded and/or bigoted and/or thick.
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I will say however that the vast majority of my foreign customers are not criminals and are good decent people wanting a better life.

However a good proportion of crimes in thus country are committed by immigrants and its not all from those coming on boats.

What Notch claims is total bullocks with an oh.
 
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MNW67 said:
Just a bit of Googling for context:

AI Overview

No, an asylum seeker entering the UK is not automatically a criminal
, as the right to seek asylum is a human right under international law. However, recent changes in UK law have made it a criminal offence to arrive in the UK without a valid visa, which effectively criminalises most asylum seekers' mode of entry.
Here's a breakdown of the legal situation:
  • Right to Seek Asylum: Under the 1951 Refugee Convention, which the UK signed, anyone has the right to seek asylum in another country and to remain there until their claim is assessed. The Convention recognises that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means (e.g., without a passport or visa) to escape and should not be penalised for this, provided they present themselves to the authorities without delay and show good cause for their illegal entry.
  • UK Law Changes: The Nationality and Borders Act 2022 and the Illegal Migration Act have created new criminal offences relating to how a person enters the UK. It is now an offence to arrive in the UK without the required entry clearance (a visa), and there is no specific visa for the purpose of seeking asylum from abroad. This means that most people, by the very act of arriving to claim asylum, commit a technical criminal offence.
  • Prosecution: While the act of irregular arrival is technically a criminal offence, prosecutions only tend to be pursued if there are aggravating factors, such as using violence or making financial gain. Most asylum seekers are not criminally prosecuted solely for the act of arrival, but are instead processed through the administrative immigration system.
  • Legal Status: An asylum seeker is someone who has an ongoing claim for refugee status that has not yet been determined. They are legally allowed to remain in the UK while their claim is being considered. If their claim is successful, they are granted refugee status and have a legal right to reside in the UK.
In summary, while seeking asylum is a legal right, the method of entry often breaches current UK immigration law, making the act of entry a criminal offence for which a defence may be available, but it does not automatically make the person a "criminal" in a general sense.
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Your AI question appears to ignore the method of entry. Kinda important given the legislation that applies to those entering via small boats.
 
rds60h said:
I know what you mean, I live in Luton and White British are the minority in the town. I've just had a go at the Labour MP for Luton Rachel Hopkins who chases to Muslim vote by supporting Free Palestine, going on their Protests, being a member of a Pro Palestine Group, sending letters to all Constituents to inform them of what she has done to "Help Aid to Gaza" and her Anti Israel stance, end of last week she posted a photo of her and some local dignitaries at a local synagogue celebrating Hanukkah, just shows how two faced and twisted they can be to chase any votes they can get.
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Politician = traitor.

Shame you don't have Katie Hopkins for MP. Now that would be interesting. (y)
 
rds60h said:
In reply to MNW67, You state "No, an asylum seeker entering the UK is not automatically a criminal" Firstly I would claim that 99% of those who arrive by dinghy are not asylum seekers because they are not "someone who has fled their own country due to persecution, war, or serious human rights violations" they are young males seeking easy money for nothing. Any true asylum seeker would have family members with them, you do not leave those dearest to you in a dangerous situation that by you leaving on your own would make it even more dangerous for those you leave behind. But I digress, in the section UK Law Changes that you state, it says " by the very act of arriving to claim asylum, commit a technical criminal offence." Technically or not it is still an Offence, therefore they are Criminals, even by your statement.
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Easy way to see genuine v non genuine refugees is compare Ukranian refugees with the 'refugees' on the dinghies. Ukranian refugees mainly consisist of women, children, elderly and even cats and dogs. The Channel crossing parasites consist of anything but the genuine Ukranian ones. A stark difference and very telling. Only demented liberals believe that refugees consist of exclusively young men paying traffickers £1,000s to cherry-pick the country they want to fleece. But that's liberals for you. :rolleyes:
 
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