is it because the 7W hence it is not working?
thanks,
thanks,
MR16 halogen to LED
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update:
bought a box of 10 PHILIPS MASTER LED MAS LEDspotLV D 7-35W MR16 WW 24D and it does not work....
it only on for half of second then it went off again.
I think I need to sell those and go to the GU10 route.
Why are you so surprised?
On 14th May I posted:
"The drivers you have got now won't work.
LED drivers will.
Toroidal transformers will.
240 volt LEDs will".
update:
bought a box of 10 PHILIPS MASTER LED MAS LEDspotLV D 7-35W MR16 WW 24D and it does not work....
it only on for half of second then it went off again.
I think I need to sell those and go to the GU10 route.
Why are you so surprised?
On 14th May I posted:
"The drivers you have got now won't work.
LED drivers will.
Toroidal transformers will.
240 volt LEDs will".
I though Philips said that their LED will work with existing transformers. I could be wrong.
I just not sure if i want to try the 10W ones now.
update:
bought a box of 10 PHILIPS MASTER LED MAS LEDspotLV D 7-35W MR16 WW 24D and it does not work....
it only on for half of second then it went off again.
I think I need to sell those and go to the GU10 route.
Why are you so surprised?
On 14th May I posted:
"The drivers you have got now won't work.
LED drivers will.
Toroidal transformers will.
240 volt LEDs will".
I though Philips said that their LED will work with existing transformers. I could be wrong.
I just not sure if i want to try the 10W ones now.
It was also established you don't have transformers, you have switch mode lamp drivers, so don't waste more money or time trying 10W ones.
Either go 240v (best bet) or else change your lamp drivers to true transformers or LED drivers.
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update:
bought a box of 10 PHILIPS MASTER LED MAS LEDspotLV D 7-35W MR16 WW 24D and it does not work....
it only on for half of second then it went off again.
I think I need to sell those and go to the GU10 route.
Why are you so surprised?
On 14th May I posted:
"The drivers you have got now won't work.
LED drivers will.
Toroidal transformers will.
240 volt LEDs will".
I though Philips said that their LED will work with existing transformers. I could be wrong.
I just not sure if i want to try the 10W ones now.
It was also established you don't have transformers, you have switch mode lamp drivers, so don't waste more money or time trying 10W ones.
Either go 240v (best bet) or else change your lamp drivers to true transformers or LED drivers.
just out of interest, i think each of the bulb i got attach with a 20w-50w transformer? what is switch mode lamp drivers?
Thanks
update:
bought a box of 10 PHILIPS MASTER LED MAS LEDspotLV D 7-35W MR16 WW 24D and it does not work....
it only on for half of second then it went off again.
I think I need to sell those and go to the GU10 route.
Why are you so surprised?
On 14th May I posted:
"The drivers you have got now won't work.
LED drivers will.
Toroidal transformers will.
240 volt LEDs will".
I though Philips said that their LED will work with existing transformers. I could be wrong.
I just not sure if i want to try the 10W ones now.
It was also established you don't have transformers, you have switch mode lamp drivers, so don't waste more money or time trying 10W ones.
Either go 240v (best bet) or else change your lamp drivers to true transformers or LED drivers.
just out of interest, i think each of the bulb i got attach with a 20w-50w transformer? what is switch mode lamp drivers?
Thanks
A switch mode lamp driver is an electronic device which chops the mains at high frequency and then supplies this chopped supply to a lamp. Each of your bulbs is attached to a switch mode lamp driver not a transformer. As you have been repeatedly told and now discovered they won't work with LEDs. Manufacturers and people on this forum incorrectly call them electronic transformers.
A transformer is an electrical device which transfers energy between two circuits through electromagnetic induction.
sorry, to hear your problems, are these what you have
http://www.ecat.lighting.philips.co.../led-lamps/master-ledspot-lv/929000227002_eu/
I was quite confident and seen these perform with only few problems.
Do you have make and ,model details of your transformers.
Are you running them via dimmers
http://www.ecat.lighting.philips.co.../led-lamps/master-ledspot-lv/929000227002_eu/
I was quite confident and seen these perform with only few problems.
Do you have make and ,model details of your transformers.
Are you running them via dimmers
Please don't confuse him any more. He does not have transformers. He has got switch mode lamp drivers.
Your excessive quoting and jargon has ensured that already,
Hence
William id recomend emailing philips, im sure theyd be interested to hear your plight, if you brought from a reputable company im sure they will help with reimbursing the cost of the lamps.
FAO
Winston,
This is a serious site here,
In the last week or so on this site youve called them
drivers, smps, smpt, switch mode lamp drivers even led transformers, your constant babble, is not even consistent
Winston,
This is a serious site here,
In the last week or so on this site youve called them
drivers, smps, smpt, switch mode lamp drivers even led transformers, your constant babble, is not even consistent
Then please refer to them what they are and they are definitely not transformers. Just because manufacturers salesmen don't know any better does not mean the professional people on this site need to repeat this nonsense.
Winston - I realise you think this is important but it isn't.
If that is what the manufacturer calls them, albeit preceded by 'electronic', then that IS what they are.
Have you ever bought a sausage in a roll?
If so, did you argue as vehemently with the vendor about its name?
If that is what the manufacturer calls them, albeit preceded by 'electronic', then that IS what they are.
Have you ever bought a sausage in a roll?
If so, did you argue as vehemently with the vendor about its name?
Rubbish. The manufacturers salesmen are wrong. A transformer is a wound device that works by electromagnetic induction. The term electronic transformer is meaningless.
This is also a DIY site remember.
google gives over 15 million hits for lighting transformers and most are electronic.
Toroidals are rare these days and for a few years now are being phased out for lighting aplications, yet you advise fitting them.
Also being phased out are things like wire wound chokes and theres various other lighting products, that although may not be truly what there names imply, there recognised lighting terms ballast and LV being other terms.
They are recognised terms in the lighting industry, just like the word "Bulb" is even though most lamps are nowadays not a "Bulbous shape, which i beleive is how the word derived and most lamps are still measured in 1/8ths of an inch, which most people dont have a clue what that is nowadays
50 years in the trade you say, i dont beleive if you went to buy a 20-60 va unit to run a 50w halogen lamp you would ask for anything other than a transformer like most electricians would, and most major wholesalers would not have a clue what you want, using your terminoligy.
That may be true in the domestic market which is driven by low cost to market. In professional installs where long term reliability is the driving force then toroidal and E and I laminated transformers are still being used.
With E and I and separate bobbins for primary and secondary winding the chance of mains reaching the ELV output are virtually zero. Unlike an SMPS "transformer" where separation is "achieved" by a very small high frequency transformer, where the primary and secondary may be less than a milli-metre apart.
Not to mention the really nasty "SMPS items" which do not have any isolation at all.
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