multi fuel stove

[Sadgit1971]

Hi,

I am all set to install a small 5KW multi fuel stove and it is placed on top of 2in granite. The problem I am having is getting the correct materials to make a register plate (which blocks off the bottom of the chimney and the flue goes through).

Can I use supalux/asbestolux??

Cheers
Mark

 

[simoniris]

Yes is the answer. We buy our FR boards from FGF Ltd. They've got a few depots nationally. Google them and give technical a buzz, they'll tell you what you need and probably sell it you direct.

 

[Sadgit1971]

thanks for the reply. I have already bought some supalux boards locally, took me ages of hunting to track some down.

I could only get 6mm boards so basically doubled it up to make a 12mm board. I have it all fitted and had a couple of small fires to fire the stove and fire cement. well chuffed with my handy work I must admit.

If anyone thinks I need to change the boards to something else, now is the time to shout out and I will have to re-do it again, but I would rather that than have a chimney fire

 

[WhichBurner]

Try out some vermiculite boards, nothing will burn through those babies

 

[SIDEBURN]

Do you need Building Control permission to install a solid fuel/log burner and is it mandatory and why?

 

[WhichBurner]

Do you need Building Control permission to install a solid fuel/log burner and is it mandatory and why?

Generally they fall under Building Regs L and J. Why do you have to? Elf and safety,HIPS,just as probably, as a money spinner for the council. You pay on a sliding scale based on the cost of the stove/flues. So keep your costs low. I also know that they (in my area) are slower than a sloth lecturing in slow at the university of slow. Or you could sling around £50 to a HETAS fitter to certify your work. Hope that helps.

 

[Richard C]

Do you need Building Control permission to install a solid fuel/log burner and is it mandatory and why?

I believe I've already answered your question once.

Is it compulsory?

It is compulsory in the sense that you will be asked to supply a certificate of compliance for the installation as a part of HIPS when you come to sell & if you can’t produce one, it will be regarded as unauthorised building work as will any other notifyable building work. You will then have to pay for a post installation inspection which will is likely to cost a lot more than doing it now; then there is a risk it may be non compliant which could affect your sale. There is also the safety/insurance aspect of getting the flue wrong; this has a potential to suffocate you & your family or your insurance company declining to pay a claim in the event of a problem. The regs. are not that onerous & here is a summary of what you need to comply with;
http://www.firesonline.co.uk/acatalog/Stove-Building-Regulations.html

If your plan on DIY, you will need to submit a Building Notice (download it from the Planning Portal) & pay a fee - £97.75 when I looked last month.
http://www.cncbuildingcontrol.gov.uk/admin/files/building_notice.pdf

The other alternative is to use a HETAS installer who will provide the certificate of compliance you need without involving LABC. I’ve not finally decided yet but I will probably go the HETAS route mainly because I just don’t fancy getting up on the roof with an 8 metre long, 6 inch diameter stainless steel snake strapped to my back. You can download a list of installers in your area from the HETAS website;
http://www.hetas.co.uk/nearest_member

I had a couple around last week & am awaiting their written quotes. Some will try & charge you anything from £20 - £60, especially the shops; they will also try & insist you buy the stove from them at list price; I’m just awaiting delivery of mine this week @ some £300 cheaper than list. I don’t pay for quotes (wish I could charge for my quotes) & just crossed them off my list; the self employed independent engineers are the ones to go for & both the guys I had round were very helpful & more than happy for me to do the building works, leaving them just to install the liner, the fire & carry out the commissioning tests; basically a draught/smoke test.

Another tip is that if you plan on plaster walls, don’t use ordinary gypsum plaster or plasterboard near the stove; the plaster will only withstand 50 degrees & will blow & plasterboard, even the fire check ones, is regarded as combustible material due to the paper linings & so won’t comply. If you’ve any other questions come back as I’ve been going through the learning curve on this one myself over the last weeks or so.

Didn’t you believe me.

 

[Loofah]

Had a quote to install a burner from a HETAS registered installer recently that was £1500! Granted that included supply of labour and all chimney related materials (flue, registration plate etc) (not actual stove) but it kind of took my breath away a bit

 

[Richard C]

I’m not surprised it did; cost for mine was £450 for materials which includded the liner (8M), ofsett reducer bend, register plate, top plate, flue cap, Vermiculite & fireproof cement etc; HETAS guy placed the order & all I had to do was pay over the phone. HETAS guys charge on the day for installation was £400 which is enough for a days work in anyones book, even if they do have to get up on the roof! Cost could be slightly more depending on which liner you have but I think your guy is having you over; get some more quotes!

 

[Loofah]

It's become a moot point thankfully - after removal of the gas fire that was there, it turns out the width is a tad too small (23 inches) if I'm to fit the stove and comply with regs. So it's going to be a standard open fire for me!