New High tech cameras to enforce 20mph roads

[morqthana]

3/4 of drivers don't comply with the limit

So?

These days I avoid driving in London, but there are huge lengths of arterial roads with 20mph limits on.

Yes.

And....?

Now even more fines are coming as the new cameras have longer range, no road markings and don't flash.

Better law enforcement. Do you object to that?

You might be fooled in to believing TFL's 20 limits have massively reduced the number of people killed or seriously injured. Ignoring the frequent claims that this is so and looking at the data, you will see it hasn't done much of anything to make a difference.

https://content.tfl.gov.uk/casualties-in-greater-london-2024.pdf

You might be so fooled if you for some reason failed to read this:

Comparing 2024 to the 2010-14 baseline, there has been noteworthy progress:
• 19 per cent (26) fewer people were killed
• 24 per cent (1,162) fewer people were killed or seriously injured, the lowest number on record outside of pandemic-affected 2020 and 2021
• 47 per cent (169) fewer children under 16 were killed or seriously injured

Or these

Or this

In 2024 there were ...14 per cent fewer motorcyclists were killed (down from
21 in 2023 to 18). People motorcycling account for an estimated four per cent of
vehicle kilometres travelled (based on 2024 figures from the Department for
Transport road traffic statistics) but 16 per cent of people killed.

If you want to be less fooled by the people telling you lies about 20mph speed limits because of their ideological bias, you could look at this:

Powerful new long-term TfL research shows 20mph speed limits save lives on London's roads

Powerful new long-term TfL research shows 20mph speed limits save lives on London’s roads

tfl.gov.uk

 

[noseall]

Cash cow

They only prey on shmucks that choose to go above the speed limit.

Remember, giving your hard earned cash to them is optional.

 

[IT Minion]

As someone who is a pain about sticking to the speed limits id be delighted for low level criminals to be paying into my councils budget.

 

[morqthana]

Is that what you’re on here looking for? Proper arguments? You sad f***.

Is the problem that people who are capable of proper, intelligent arguments, based on reasoning and facts etc, are in a tiny minority here?

Or is it that there's a dearth of people mature enough to want to?

 

[warey4life]

I used to find the 20 zones in Bristol really annoying, but since I've started driving an automatic I'm ok with 20 zones. I set the speed limiter to 22mph and casually drive on down the road.

 

[Mottie]

Is the problem that people who are capable of proper, intelligent arguments, based on reasoning and facts etc, are in a tiny minority here?

Tell us that you are the tiny minority on here capable of a proper intelligent argument without telling us you are that minority.

 

[transam]

Couple of local fruit cakes came banging on my door a while back asking if I would be interested to volunteer to stand up the road like a plonker in a day glow jacket checking the speed of cars

I declined the offer

 

[warey4life]

Couple of local fruit cakes came banging on my door a while back asking if I would be interested to volunteer to stand up the road like a plonker in a day glow jacket checking the speed of cars

I declined the offer

I'd do it for money.

 

[johnny2007]

Hands up anyone here who never broke a speed limit...

 

[johnny2007]

Is the problem that people who are capable of proper, intelligent arguments, based on reasoning and facts etc, are in a tiny minority here?

Or is it that there's a dearth of people mature enough to want to?

Did you forget the password for your alter ego?
Been silent for a few days.
Wake him up!

 

[morqthana]

Cash cow

For whom?

 

[morqthana]

As someone who is a pain about sticking to the speed limits id be delighted for low level criminals to be paying into my councils budget.

I'm sure you would.

But you'll need to find another source of delight - speeding fines do not go to councils. Or TFL.

 

[morqthana]

Did you forget the password for your alter ego?

I don't have an alter ego, you liar.

 

[morqthana]

I try to focus on the more serious issue as a rule of thumb.

Mottie, and at least johnny2007 and aveatry, don't want you to do that.

 

[morqthana]

Is a child being injured crossing the road more important than one being injured while skiing, especially when there is no need to ski?

What need is there for a driver to be going so fast that they can't avoid injuring a child crossing the road?