Newbie needs electrical help !!!!

[Skinflint13]

Guys,

Bought the wife a new ceiling fitment fo her Birthday, the connector is a a straight live, neutral, earth and the new ceiling bracket wont fit over the existing rose, when I remove the rose, there are 4 red wires, 2 black and the earth, three of the red go to the centre of the ceiling connector, one one coming to outside connector and both the black cables go to the other outside connector the existing bulb cord has two wires which go to each of the outside connecttors.

So if I pull this all apart...and use the three connectors in the new fitment do I put all the red wires into a single connector ??? and the same with the blac and earth ????

Sorry if this is complex...can send digital photos if that would clarify my situation.

Really keen to get a answer, its my wifes birthday and I really want to get this fitted before Wednesday.

Cheers

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[Lectrician]

Try the for reference section at the top of the topic list.

If that doesnt help, we will try. But after this many whiskeys, it is over to the others

A photo would be great.

Basically.

Earth to earth.

the center live cables in a new terminal block on their own, seperate to the new light.

The blacks connected to the blue conductor of the flex drop to the neutral of the new light.

The black (and possibly one red according to your description, which should be with the brown of the flex drop) to the live of the new light.

Hope that helps a little.

 

[andy]

from what you have described, you have a twin red for the switch. connect all the blacks together and connect to the blue in the light. take 1 red from the twin red and the 2 other reds and connect the together (the same 2 that were connected in the middle block), not connected to the light fitting. connect the other red in the twin red to the brown in the light. connect all earths together. this is in for reference, but you have a twin red for the switch instead of a red and black twin and earth

 

[TraineeSpark]

I'm sure I must have missed something here mate, but how did the wife take getting an electrical fitting for her birthday?
I wish I could find a woman like that.
My other half would probably... well I don't wanna even consider it.

 

[felix]

I can just about understand how two red wires go to the switch but why is there only one earth? This cannot be right.

First, indelibly mark the red wire which is NOT connected to the other three. This is your switched live and it will be connected to the live terminal in the new fitting. The other three you must put into a chocolate block connector. If you join all four reds together you will not be able to switch the light off.

Next, follow those wires back to their cables. Two of them might be single core red, though God only knows why and he's not telling. The other cores should belong to two flat twin and earth cables. FIND THE MISSING EARTH. These two earths MUST be joined together. If they aren't, there's a good chance that part of your existing lighting circuit isn't safe. Next, look inside the switch. Do you have an earth wire in there? Does it go anywhere?

When you're new to electrics the last thing you need is to have to start by fixing somebody else's bodge but that's Sod's Law for you. Looks like you drew the short straw.

 

[Skinflint13]

Guys,

imagine the ceiling rose

I'll number the connectors

123 456 78

1 = blue cable to bulb
2 = two black cables together
3= nothing

4 = 1 red cable
5 = 2 red cables
6 = nothing

7 = 1 red cable
8 = brown cable to bulb

and I have two earth wires connected.


the new fitting has a block connector

123

1 = L
2 = EARTH
3 = N

I need to disconnect the rose so I'll have 2 black cables, 2 earth cables and 3 red cables

Looking t the posts above I'll put the two green/yellow to the 2=Earth connector
the two black to the 3 = N

and the big question is what do I do with the reds ??? obviously they must connect to 1=L ( is this the 1 red in 7 ? of the two in 5 or all three ???)

sincere thanks for your help so far guys.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I need to disconnect the rose so I'll have 2 black cables, 2 earth cables and 3 red cables

No - count the reds again...

4 = 1 red cable
5 = 2 red cables
7 = 1 red cable

Which all makes sense - look in the For Reference section - you've got the classic lighting system, but with a rarely seen twin red cable for the switch drop rather than red/black.

You'll need to provide a connection separate from the new fitting for the permanent lives.

You also have an earth missing - find it.

 

[TexMex]

I'm sure I must have missed something here mate, but how did the wife take getting an electrical fitting for her birthday?
I wish I could find a woman like that.
My other half would probably... well I don't wanna even consider it.

I got my wife an electric steamer (the sort you cook rice in) for her birthday. She hit the roof. Perhaps she'll appreciate this years present a bit more. I'm hoping to get her a 1.5 ton mini digger.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I bought mine a nice new chair for Christmas.



She still hasn't plugged it in.

 

[Damocles]

Worried about the divorce settlement?

 

[Beanzy]

I've a friend who's wife was worried about fires when they were slumming it in a caravan during a self-build barn conversion. So he bought her a fire extinguisher for Christmas. Poor sod thought it would be nice to put her mind at ease with a present. She still doesn't let him live it down.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I used to work with someone who owned a cottage in Scotland, and they had a serious rhododendron problem up there. One time, after hours of hard graft trying to clear some of it, with very little visible progress, his wife said "I wish I had a flamethrower".

Well, you can guess the rest - large and heavy present next Christmas.

But even though she'd asked for one, apparently she was some way short of thrilled by it....

 

[Damocles]

Be careful what you wish for..you may get it

 

[TraineeSpark]

Ban-All-Sheds, I have a problem with woodworm in my roof rafters. I am convinced that I could sort it out with the afore-mentioned flame-thrower. Please advise where to buy one.
My loft has ambient temp. of 45 degrees, thermal insulation, many grouping factors and BS 3036 fuses. The question is, should I de-rate cables to allow for the Flame-Thrower?

 

[Damocles]

Reckon if you confine the flamethrowing to the airborn beetle stage of your infestation you should be fine. Just don't let it play on the cables for too long and there is no need to de-rate. Same as temporary fault current.