Northern bridegroom beats up his bride, gets off lightly

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"When he lashed out at me on my wedding night, I thought I was going to die. I was terrified. He looked like he was going to kill me."

""It was such a lovely day, and I was devastated it ended the way it did. It was a huge celebration full of friends and family, and I thought it would have been the fresh start we needed."

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...cause_husband_couldn_t_take_dress_off/?ref=mr

"Robin Ford, mitigating, said a community order was sufficient."
 
Beat up your wife, tell the court your drink was spiked and get off with a slapped wrist.

Robbed a few thousand from a bank or fiddle the benefit system for a few thousand quid and get sent to prison for a few years.

Sounds about right for this country these days.
 
I agree. There seems to be neither rhyme nor reason for many of our court sentences these days.

As I understand it, there are imposed maxima with regard to sentences but, within those limits it seems that judges can award as little or as much as they feel like.

I understand that we are not privy to all the details of individual cases but, when we read newspaper reports (and I assume that they are present in court to take details) we see what appear to be inconsistencies.

I sometimes feel annoyed that some people seem to get let off with meaningless sentences. I feel that this can only encourage more crime.
 
As I understand it, there are imposed maxima with regard to sentences but, within those limits it seems that judges can award as little or as much as they feel like.

Actually, there are strict guidelines which often tie the hands of The Judiciary.

Every criminal offence carries a maximum penalty but a Magistrate or Judge MUST follow the statutory sentencing guidelines for the particular offence (there are guidelines for almost every offence) They must first decide what category the offence falls into then go to the starting point for that category. Each offence will have a range of possible sentences and a starting point. The starting point is enlarged or reduced within the range dependant on aggravating or mitigating factors. They then take into account any other mitigating factors as well as any credit for pleading guilty.

Whilst much of the information will be provided for by the facts of the crime, they will also take into account any mitigation put forward by the defence.

It is the detail of the crime and the mitigation which is almost invariably missing from any news article so it is not always easy to judge (no pun intended!) whether a sentence is appropriate or not without having heard all the facts of a case AND all the mitigation presented.

I make no comment on the case mentioned but I wanted to clarify that Magistrates and Judges no longer have carte blanche to impose whatever sentence they see fit. The Home Office constantly updates sentencing guidelines and, for several years now, they have been stressing to The Judiciary that more use must be made of non-custodial sentences. This is entirely due to the strain on the prison system.

Add to the above the greatly increased number of appeals against sentencing by accused persons and you will see that it is by no means an easy task to sentence an offender with what a Magistrate or Judge might feel is an 'appropriate' sentence.

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Blurghggg

I've yet to hear any serious outcry from any judges over sentencing, probably too scared of losing their well paid jobs (100-200K).

As they are at the front, and do have all the information, I hold them fully accountable.

They are perfectly able to afford to quit in protest, they don't.

If any judge 'let off' a criminal that seriously hurt or killed a family member, I would kill them.

/Awaits police arrest for thought crime and life imprisonment from judge.
 
Sorry you feel that my post was some sort of apology Aron but it was made in response to JBR's post about how offenders are sentenced.

The point I was making was that, in years gone by, Magistrates and Judges would have a large amount of leeway in sentencing. They no longer have that as the sentencing guidelines now take the form of a statutory requirement. This means that Magistrates and Judges now MUST follow the guidance when sentencing.

What that amounts to is that a Magistrate or Judge may feel that the offender deserves a more severe sentence but he/she is precluded from handing that down due to the guidelines. Remember that all sentences must be recorded alongside the full reasons for that sentence.

Take it from me that my comments in respect of The Judiciary being concerned about such restrictions [especially over the use of non-custodial sentences] is based on personal knowledge and those concerns have been well documented over the years.

I suspect that this was a lay bench in The Magistrates Court - not a Judge (albeit some District Judges sitting as a Magistrate do preside at some Magistrates Courts) As the name suggests, these are lay persons who are not paid to sit as such (save for some expenses) Certainly not 'Judges on £100-£200K')

Taking this case in point... On reading about the case, I (and many others) would have deemed it deserved a custodial sentence. Perhaps the lay bench did too. However, in the absence of 'serious injury', this would have put the case in a Category 3 according to the sentencing guidelines. Those same guidelines put the starting point for a Category 3 as a medium range community order and the entire range of punishments between a Band A fine and a high level community order.

Therefore, even if the Magistrates wanted to impose a custodial sentence, it is not within the range stipulated by the statutory guidelines so they couldn't.

Compare this with a Category 2 ABH (serious injury present) where the starting point is 26 weeks custody (6 months)

The entire point here is that there is more to sentencing than meets the eye and, without knowing such detail, it is all to easy to be angered by what appear to be lenient sentences.

I do take on board your points Aron and I agree that they ARE fully accountable BUT I would temper that with the fact that they can only be accountable for what the statutory guidance allows them to do. It is HM government who are ultimately accountable for issuing that guidance.
 
I confess that I wasn't aware that judges (and magistrates, of course) are subject to quite so many limitations when sentencing. I have, however, commented elsewhere about my opinions with regard to the reasons why the government (or Home Office specifically) want to reduce prison numbers. Needless to say, I believe they are wrong and that continuing to allow (or encourage) lenient sentencing is only going to lead to an increase in crime, as those who lack the conscience that stops most of us from doing wrong will find less and less of a deterrent to committing crimes. Why can't the powers-that-be see that?

I believe we need a change in government.
 
Reading the headline,

"Bride beaten on wedding night because husband couldn't take dress off"

makes me wonder why the **** he wore one in the first place.
 
Sorry you feel that my post was some sort of apology Aron

I will forgive you....this time......

The point I was making was that, in years gone by, Magistrates and Judges would have a large amount of leeway in sentencing. They no longer have that as the sentencing guidelines now take the form of a statutory requirement. This means that Magistrates and Judges now MUST follow the guidance when sentencing.

Take the kings shilling, then you take the blame as well.

Same with Police, Doctors, Nurses, Firemen.

They will all make a big fuss over pay or pensions, never seen any of them strike over quality or danger towards services (except when the solution to the problem is more money thankyouverymuch).

I acknowledge a degree of unfairness is involved, but the civil service often asks for or expects public support towards their pay, but never give support towards changing the system (other than when the change may risk their jobs).

Feck em.
 
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