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[carmanmemoranda]

All you’ve actually done is confirm that you don’t want to do it.

Because of the agro involved because of brexit

We’ve established that there is no need for a carnet with road legal race vehicles, cycle touring support, racing etc. you didn’t seem aware of that or pretended it wasn’t true.

You have not proved that. In fact you proved the opposite.

We’ve established that if your kit is more professional and a customs person suspects you are a professional setup, you can have a one carnet fits all and use the partial configuration option to present your dynamic stock. You seemed to think that it was impossible to have last minute changes.

Doesn't cover different vehicles on individual basis. 4 trips in 2 months for example could be 4 totally different setups. Not as you suggest.

Try it and see if you think it's like that.

We’ve also established that the costs are trivial and there is no need for a bond.

Who ever mentioned finance or costs as an issue ?

You don't know enough to keep spouting.

Give it up ! YOU. HAVENT GOT A CLUE and KEEP GIVING. INCORRECT STATEMENTS.

 

[motorbiking]

Links have already been provided. If your vehicle is road legal and you have the relevant documentation it is not goods for temporary import.

Do you need the links again? It is important that if questioned you are clear that the road legal vehicle is not being transported exclusively for racing.

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[carmanmemoranda]

Or it is more difficult now and just not worth his while. I don't know what is so controversial about that.

Give it up mbk !

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Links have already been provided. If your vehicle is road legal and you have the relevant documentation it is not goods for temporary import.

Do you need the links again?

Your links do not support what you are trying to claim.

You have obviously ZERO experience in cases like I've been involved in.

Stop giving out WRONG information

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Do you need the links again?

Those links that I quoted sections from to show you were wrong?

Do you need those sections showing to you again ?

 

[motorbiking]

I’ve just posted them. More than 150 teams towing their race cars and kit without a carnet.

A few were stopped and made the wrong oral declaration only to find the fine was less than the cost of the carnet.

Of course if you are supporting professional race teams then you will need to do your job

 

[motorbiking]

Or it is more difficult now and just not worth his while. I don't know what is so controversial about that.

It’s one thing to say you can’t be bothered, it’s another to imply it’s impossible because it’s so complex.

I haven’t given up organising regattas, a few more forms and some extra procedures. You just get on with it. In my experience officials aren’t interested and one French police officer joked he would give me my own set of stamps to make it easier.

Speaking French helps of course. Carman seems content to miss out on something he enjoyed doing. That’s on him

 

[Notch7]

I’ve just posted them. More than 150 teams towing their race cars and kit without a carnet

oh dear you conveniently missed out these bits from your article:

Carnet​

We believe that some CSCC members will need a Carnet, whilst others may not, but we can make no cast iron guarantees.



2. You will probably need a Carnet, if all the above apply, with these differences:

- Your race car is not road legal. Produce a bill of sale, showing you are the owner. Any other useful documentation for the race car may help, such as FIA papers and/or Motorsport UK vehicle passport. - Your tow vehicle is a van or truck. If it is unmarked (not plastered with race team stickers), you are the registered owner (with paperwork) and you are not carrying 'goods for hire or reward' you 'may' be fine. It becomes more challenging as the size of the vehicle increases (giving an impression of a commercial enterprise), or if it appears this could be a motorsport business vehicle, e.g VW T5 with four mechanics on board, in team regalia.

- You have used the Eurotunnel or a French port.

- You are carrying spares and tools beyond what could be argued as beyond essentials to run the permitted vehicle. If it is an option, you may want to consider transporting these items in a different vehicle.

3. You will almost certainly need a Carnet if: - Your race car is being transported by a team. - You are racing for financial or business gain. - You are carrying a quantity of spares and tools for the race car considered by an official to require a Carnet. It has been impossible to establish what quantity or type the threshold may be and what the UK officials are briefed. Most drivers have got through with no issues, with spares, tools and wheels provided they fall into category 1 or 2 above. However, a few have been stopped, including a recent example crossing from Hull for a trackday, where customs insisted the wheels and spares required a carnet.

Whilst the two are not strictly linked, if you require a Carnet for business or commercial purposes you will probably also need a standard international goods vehicle operator licence, if you are transporting goods for hire or reward, this can even include cars towing trailers.

 

[motorbiking]

I intended you to read the whole article. Glad you did.

Of course if you are supporting professional race teams then you will need to do your job

Absolute nightmare, just not worth the effort, so less business, directly because of brexit

Many seem to cope without having nightmares.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It’s one thing to say you can’t be bothered, it’s another to imply it’s impossible because it’s so complex.

Never said that though. Nice swerve

I haven’t given up organising regattas, a few more forms and some extra procedures. You just get on with it. In my experience officials aren’t interested and one French police officer joked he would give me my own set of stamps to make it easier.

I could still do it. It's not worth the effort

Speaking French helps of course. Carman seems content to miss out on something he enjoyed doing. That’s on him

You're not the only 1 that enjoys lots of time abroad.

It's a lot harder now than pre Brexit though isn't it

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I intended you to read the whole article. Glad you did.

You didn't read the bits in that PROVE you wrong, obviously. I did post them for you

Many seem to cope without having nightmares.

Some do, lots have given up. You've no doubt seen all the car club info about it.

Stick to your rowing boat. Throwing in another lifejacket isn't quite the same as taking a working van abroad.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

oh dear you conveniently missed out these bits from your article:

Carnet​

We believe that some CSCC members will need a Carnet, whilst others may not, but we can make no cast iron guarantees.



2. You will probably need a Carnet, if all the above apply, with these differences:

- Your race car is not road legal. Produce a bill of sale, showing you are the owner. Any other useful documentation for the race car may help, such as FIA papers and/or Motorsport UK vehicle passport. - Your tow vehicle is a van or truck. If it is unmarked (not plastered with race team stickers), you are the registered owner (with paperwork) and you are not carrying 'goods for hire or reward' you 'may' be fine. It becomes more challenging as the size of the vehicle increases (giving an impression of a commercial enterprise), or if it appears this could be a motorsport business vehicle, e.g VW T5 with four mechanics on board, in team regalia.

- You have used the Eurotunnel or a French port.

- You are carrying spares and tools beyond what could be argued as beyond essentials to run the permitted vehicle. If it is an option, you may want to consider transporting these items in a different vehicle.

3. You will almost certainly need a Carnet if: - Your race car is being transported by a team. - You are racing for financial or business gain. - You are carrying a quantity of spares and tools for the race car considered by an official to require a Carnet. It has been impossible to establish what quantity or type the threshold may be and what the UK officials are briefed. Most drivers have got through with no issues, with spares, tools and wheels provided they fall into category 1 or 2 above. However, a few have been stopped, including a recent example crossing from Hull for a trackday, where customs insisted the wheels and spares required a carnet.

Whilst the two are not strictly linked, if you require a Carnet for business or commercial purposes you will probably also need a standard international goods vehicle operator licence, if you are transporting goods for hire or reward, this can even include cars towing trailers.

He either can't read or can't comprehend.

He is posting wrong information. But he often does that

 

[Mottie]

oh dear you conveniently missed out these bits from your article:

And you conveniently ignored….

We believe….

That's an opinion, not a fact.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Why can't people read !



You will almost certainly need a Carnet if: - Your race car is being transported by a team. - You are racing for financial or business gain. - You are carrying a quantity of spares and tools for the race car considered by an official to require a Carnet.

 

[motorbiking]

You were conveniently vague about this along with the road legal status of your race car. Almost as if you don't want people to show you that its less complex than you pretend.

I could still do it. It's not worth the effort

You're not the only 1 that enjoys lots of time abroad.

It's a lot harder now than pre Brexit though isn't it

It's not a lot harder, there are some additional steps.

Why can't people read !



You will almost certainly need a Carnet if: - Your race car is being transported by a team. - You are racing for financial or business gain. - You are carrying a quantity of spares and tools for the race car considered by an official to require a Carnet.

So it's wrong or right? You seem to claim they are wrong and also right.

Nobody is disputing you need to address a fully kitted out repair van with £20ks worth of spares and tools. It would also be fairly simple for your 3-van setup to be able to only have one carnet.

He either can't read or can't comprehend.

He is posting wrong information. But he often does that

You are deliberately misinterpreting what you are being told, so you can say it's wrong. But you often do that.