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[motorbiking]

Firstly I want to say, the RNLI do a great job protecting our national and inland waters, but this topic started in another thread after the Daily mail reported that the RNLI were operating a taxi service for illegal migrants. It was claimed that French warships would watch the migrant dingys as they headed for the UK and call up the RNLI to take them from the halfway point. Who can trust the DM to publish the truth, even when the RNLI published a statement defending their action? Well, I've been tracking two vessels for the last week reported to be operating a migrant "escort" service. Here is the 5 day track of RNLI 17 09 and the French Warship tasked to stop illegal crossings. Several times in the last 5 days the two vessels have rendezvous'd.

Typically the RNLI (weather permitting) head at 25kts for SARs ops, in order to offer assistance asap. However, on most of the occasions when they were meeting their friends on the French warship, they were cruising at a more economical 9-12kts. Each trip was 3-4 hours round trip.

Its a £2.5M 1000bhp boat and will burn 200l/h at pace, not to mention the cost of the crew and maintenance. if these were mariners in distress, surely the French warship would have directed its local SARs vessels to assist? On all occasions the Warship when tracking to the UK, travelled at between 3 and 7kts, which is about the speed I'd expect a 30ft inflatable dingy to go with a 10-15hp outboard (tide depending). Plenty of time to rescue them?

At the closest point England and France is just 20ish Nm.

 

[AngleEyes]

Firstly I want to say, the RNLI do a great job protecting our national and inland waters, but this topic started in another thread after the Daily mail reported that the RNLI were operating a taxi service for illegal migrants. It was claimed that French warships would watch the migrant dingys as they headed for the UK and call up the RNLI to take them from the halfway point. Who can trust the DM to publish the truth, even when the RNLI published a statement defending their action? Well, I've been tracking two vessels for the last week reported to be operating a migrant "escort" service. Here is the 5 day track of RNLI 17 09 and the French Warship tasked to stop illegal crossings. Several times in the last 5 days the two vessels have rendezvous'd.

At the closest point England and France is just 20ish Nm.

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People trafficking is illegal. Are you honestly expecting anyone to believe your claim that the RNLI are operating an illegal 'migrant taxi service'?

You've left your diagrams open to personal interpretation, and you've left no link to any source for your diagrams to be verified. They could well be something that you've concocted with Microsoft Paint.
If there were such evidence available, it would have been in the public domain by now. And without doubt such media as the Daily Mail would have published such records.

But what is immediately obvious, if your diagrams are genuine, is that the lifeboats go as far as the midpoint in the channel, contrary to your earlier claim that they enter French waters to 'taxi' migrants, which we all know to be illegal and would be described as 'people trafficking'.
Moreover you reference several rendezvous with French warships, three at most to be exact, escorting migrants, and their purpose is open to the imagination, and we cannot be sure there was any real or intended rendezvous. We cannot know, from your diagrams the timings of such supposed rendezvous. They could be miles or days apart.

Additionally, there is no obligation on any vessel being rescued if they don't require rescuing. Then there is the 'most appropriate' vessel to effect a safe and secure rescue. A warship, though obviously equipped to effect such a rescue, with force, might endanger the passengers of what is little more than a off-shore pleasure craft, if they try to enforce an unwelcome rescue.

If you want to retain any credibility. I suggest you find a record in the public domain that purports to be evidence of your obvious ideological opinions.
Your political ideological position is absolutely obvious, therefore your personal recorded evidence will always be tainted by your ideology.
Even if your record was genuine and accurate, it could easily be manipulated to show several 'trackings' which you now claim to be a 5 day continuous period.
It could easily be the worst period from a choice of multiple selections.

 

[motorbiking]

here you go. (different data set)
https://twitter.com/Steve_Laws_/status/1471623245292089352
Here is a detailed nautical map for you to calculate distances.
https://webapp.navionics.com/?lang=en#boating@7&key=gthvHsitG

You can use the contour areas to align
The bank on the left is called the Varne on the right is the Sandette there are cardinal showing safe water all around it.
The intercept point is <0.1Nm

Please be really specific about what additional information you'd like.

 

[Notch7]

if they didn't meet these vessels at halfway point, would there be more drownings?

if there werent drowning then presumably the vehicles would arrive at our shores anyway

maybe picking them up at halfway point is a safer rescue for the RNLI than when they get close to shore

these are difficult moral decisions

at what point does the duty to save lives cross with offering a migrant taxi service



Im asking questions that I dont have answers to -I really havent a scooby how this could be sorted out

 

[AngleEyes]

here you go. (different data set)
https://twitter.com/Steve_Laws_/status/1471623245292089352

Good God! Have you taken leave of your intelligence?
You present the 'evidence' of Steve Laws! Have you bothered to check his credentials:

Steve Laws
@Steve_Laws_
Patriot |
@UKIP
candidate for Southend West |
https://twitter.com/Steve_Laws_​

Their immigration spokesperson, no less!
Their website claims:

The majority of other political parties have decided not to stand and they will tell you its out of respect.
https://www.ukip.org/steve-laws-standing-for-ukip-in-southend​

Which is almost a misrepresentation, Conservatives are fielding a candidate. It is a strong Tory seat. They got 60% of the votes at the last election.
Your ideology is getting in the way of your common sense.

Here is a detailed nautical map for you to calculate distances.
https://webapp.navionics.com/?lang=en#boating@7&key=gthvHsitG

You can use the contour areas to align
The bank on the left is called the Varne on the right is the Sandette there are cardinal showing safe water all around it.
The intercept point is <0.1Nm

All very nice, but totally irrelevant.
You do like to throw in loads of completely genuine but totally irrelevant links to credible sources to pad out your ideological opinions.

Please be really specific about what additional information you'd like.

I want some credible tracking, something like your personal diagrams, from a reputable and credible source that is in the public domain that shows that a UK lifeboat is operating a migrant taxi service, which we all know to be illegal, that supports your political ideological arguments.

 

[motorbiking]

Does it matter what his agenda is? He has provided verifiable information that RNLI vessels are rendezvousing French warship. What possible other reason could there be.

Here is a bit more detail.

 

[transam]

 

[AngleEyes]

Does it matter what his agenda is? He has provided verifiable information that RNLI vessels are rendezvousing French warship. What possible other reason could there be.

If the RNLI are in to people trafficking, as you claim, a bit of smuggling wouldn't go amiss.
Maybe they're doing drugs. There must be a host of other crimes that are less serious than people trafficking.

Nice pictures, but they do not prove your allegation that the RNLI are "operating a migrant taxi service". Nor that thy are entering French waters to rescue refugees.

Maybe you could offer your services to Steve Laws as a propogandist. You two obviously share the same mindset.

 

[transam]

The French are basically supplying them with rubber boats and escorting / towing them across into UK waters

the scoundrels are basically in cahoots with the traffickers

bribes ? back handers ?

 

[JP_]

If you dedicate your life to preventing people drowning at sea, you make every effort to do just that. RNLI know it is a risk, so naturally will send out a boat to be there to save people, should the need arise. Are we really now criticising these brave, volunteers who risk their lives for our own, for doing what they believe is right, and saving people being lost at sea? Do we really now expect them to sit in their houses and ignore what is happening?

 

[AngleEyes]

If you dedicate your life to preventing people drowning at sea, you make every effort to do just that. RNLI know it is a risk, so naturally will send out a boat to be there to save people, should the need arise. Are we really now criticising these brave, volunteers who risk their lives for our own, for doing what they believe is right, and saving people being lost at sea? Do we really now expect them to sit in their houses and ignore what is happening?

Depends on your political ideology, I guess.
Political ideology can over-ride ethics, morality, etc.

 

[ic1927]

The French have a proud naval history, their greatest victory came in 1985 when they sank the unarmed protest ship Greenpeace Warrior, which was docked at the time in Auckland New Zealand.

 

[JP_]

Depends on your political ideology, I guess.
Political ideology can over-ride ethics, morality, etc.

I guess that is possible, but I am pretty sure that when RNLI hear a report of people in trouble at sea, they generally run to their boats, they don't ask what colour the people are. In fact, they have made an official statement about it.

"I could not be prouder of our amazing volunteer lifeboat crews, who launch to the aid of anyone who is in trouble in or around the water and needs our help. We have done this since the RNLI was founded in 1824 and this will always be our ethos.

"Every year, our lifeboat crews and lifeguards rescue around 30,000 people. We do not judge a casualty on what circumstances have found them in trouble."

https://rnli.org/news-and-media/202...arian-work-of-the-rnli-in-the-english-channel

 

[AngleEyes]

I guess that is possible, but I am pretty sure that when RNLI hear a report of people in trouble at sea, they generally run to their boats, they don't ask what colour the people are. In fact, they have made an official statement about it.

"I could not be prouder of our amazing volunteer lifeboat crews, who launch to the aid of anyone who is in trouble in or around the water and needs our help. We have done this since the RNLI was founded in 1824 and this will always be our ethos.

"Every year, our lifeboat crews and lifeguards rescue around 30,000 people. We do not judge a casualty on what circumstances have found them in trouble."

https://rnli.org/news-and-media/202...arian-work-of-the-rnli-in-the-english-channel

I guess we should be grateful that it is not a government funded, controlled organisation.

 

[^woody^]

I no longer give to the RNLI, from a while back when I learnt what they were doing regarding these illegals.

Yeah yeah, they do a good job and all that, and they are in a difficult position. But as I'm already paying some illegal's phone bill, there accommodation bill, food bill, clothing bill, medical care, legal fees, education and everything else really that comes from their illegality , I thought I'd make a stand on moral grounds.