Scottish independence , will it ever happen?

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Scottish Independence: England's Shameful Secret Shame.

References to the "English" government, rather than H.M. Government, were pointed and deliberate. Claims that the McCrone report was not suppressed or hushed up are ridiculous; the document was even labelled "secret" at the time, as if it were a matter of national security.

As for those Englishmen who implied I must be either Scottish or an uninformed American to write this article, I am sorry to inform you I am actually half English (and half American), and that I was educated in England, from primary school to university. I spent about half of my life in England. I am not a Scot with a chip on my shoulder. I'm a neutral observer who thinks the U.K. government behaved shabbily over the McCrone report and feels this story needs to be told.

Back in the 1970s, when the people of Scotland had a vote on independence autonomy from England, Scottish campaigners accused the English of were stealing their country's North Sea oil revenues. "England Needs... Scotland's Oil," read the campaign billboards. An independent Scotland, separatists argued, would be far better off and far richer than it would as a small part of a United Kingdom.

The English establishment in Westminster scoffed. The Scottish nationalists were being paranoid, they said. They were being ridiculous. Their estimates of the oil reserves were pure fantasy. Their claims that Scotland was getting short-changed were nonsense.

But guess what? It turns out that the Scottish natinoalists at the time were right. Even more remarkably, it turns out that the English governments at the time knew full well that the Scottish nationalists were right. They had in their hands a secret report which said so, and backed up the nationalists' charges. So they did what any self-respecting government would do.

They lied.

In 1974 the English government had received a secret study conducted by economics professor Gavin McCrone. Nearly all that North Sea oil is Scottish, Professor McCrone wrote. The oil reserves were far bigger than most people realized, he said. An independent Scotland would become one of the most prosperous countries in the world, comparable to Switzerland or Norway, he wrote. Its coffers would overflow. The biggest problem the country might face would be dealing with its massive balance of payments surplus.

Meanwhile, of course, the big loser from independence would be England.

The English government suppressed the report. The McCrone Report was hushed up, and didn't see the light of day until about ten years ago. We only know about it because the Scottish Nationalist Party, using freedom of information laws, forced the English government to reveal it.

Today it's available online.

And as the Scots gear up for this week's referendum on independence, it makes devastating reading. All that talk about England and Scotland being "Better Together"? All that talk about the British "family" and the historic union? All that pompous finger-wagging from Englishmen who think of Scotland as a place to shoot grouse? All those pictures of the royal baby?
Take a gander at the secret report that the English establishment hid from the Scots for thirty years.

"The full significance of North Sea oil... remains in large measure disguised from the Scottish public," Professor McCrone wrote (He cited ineptitude in Westminster rather than malice; as anyone who has ever lived in England knows, the charge is all too believable). Analysis by Parliament's Public Accounts Committee, he added, gave "authoritative support" for the Scottish nationalists' charge that the government had "giv[en] Scottish oil away to the international companies ridiculously cheap."

It is worth remembering what was going on in the rest of England at the time. The country was plunged into economic and political crisis. These included a "three day week" and, in 1976, the humiliation of having to seek a bailout from the International Monetary Fund. Some English at the time genuinely feared a constitutional crisis.

In the circumstances the country needed every penny it could get to survive. North Sea oil was about the only bright spot in the economy. They were not going to give it up.

Realpolitik is nothing new. The English government was doing its job - protecting the interests of the English. And this is, of course, old history. Much of the oil has now been given away. An independent Scotland would not get the windfall it would have received decades ago. But the story nonetheless remains a shameful one - and one that the pro-union forces would rather not talk about as the Scots prepare, once again, to go to the polls to consider independence.
 
The revenue from North Sea oil went to Scotland as well as England.
 
The revenue from North Sea oil went to Scotland as well as England.
The revenue as usual actually went to the corporates and the rich mates of successive governments...

Such a shame that the UK didn't do the same as Norway and create one of the world's biggest sovereign wealth funds!
 
Unfortunately, the SNP has built a significant voter base over the years that will vote for them no matter what, because that base is desperate for Scotland to be independent.

We've had them in power for 19 years, many things aren't working well, and yet they're still polling well across most polls to win a slight majority.

If the talking heads and some earlier polls are to be believed, Scottish Labour were on track to make significant inroads and perhaps even challenge the SNP for a majority. However that all fell apart due to UK Labour not performing well.

 
Unfortunately, the SNP has built a significant voter base over the years that will vote for them no matter what, because that base is desperate for Scotland to be independent.
They also wanted to be in the EU (as did Scotland as a whole) , and for good reason...

Ironic isn't it that the independence referendum went against the SNP because Scotland was assured that the only way to definitely remain in the EU was to remain part of the UK :rolleyes:
 
They also wanted to be in the EU (as did Scotland as a whole) , and for good reason...

Ironic isn't it that the independence referendum went against the SNP because Scotland was assured that the only way to definitely remain in the EU was to remain part of the UK :rolleyes:
True, 62% voted to remain.

And if independence ever happens, rightly or wrongly they'd look for a route to take Scotland back in.
 
Isn't it ironic that the party that wants to be "independent" wants to be under the rule of The E.U.
Muppets, the lot of them.
Yes I have a vested interest as a small scale landlord, however I was reading the other day that Swinney has said if they (the SNP) are returned with a majority, they'll be pushing for tenants to be given first refusal to buy the property if the landlord wants to sell. Fine, you might think. However he further said this will be at a 'fair selling price'. In other words, they will dictate to the landlord at what price they are to sell the property ... a property the landlord owns!
 
SNP are just a total disaster, but sadly some people just keep voting for them, presumably they think they will be better off with Independence. and the utterly crap govs of westminster so far this century is not helping to convince them to stay part of the union.
Personally I think we will be worse off with indy, but then again the whole of the UK is in a total mess
 
Isn't it ironic that the party that wants to be "independent" wants to be under the rule of The E.U.
Muppets, the lot of them.
The really irony is that there are some of those still breathing who still insist that being a member of the EU means giving up sovereignty...

Totally wrong of course...

Thus the real muppets are actually brexiteers :)
 
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