Shed Build - Opinions encouraged! (Planning Stage)

[Crimsonfox]

So I'm looking to save up some money and build my own shed this summer and it's not a territory I've been in before so I thought I'd see if anyone had some opinions on my current plans. Anything from timber sizes to placement of the timbers, I'm keen to know.

Here's a breakdown of what I've got so far:

Base
Overall, 16ftx6ft
4x4 skids - I'll be placing these on top of 9 or so flag stones as my base as I can't concrete the garden.
2x6 joists on top of that - Why do people let the joists overhand the skids? I've seen it in many examples but I don't quite understand if there's any technical reason for it. Maybe so there's less chance of them to slip off, seems a bit farfetched, so I've put my joists to the edge of the skids in the plans.

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• Crimsonfox
• 8 Apr 2013
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Walls
2x4 for the framing. I'm thinking of putting a window on the front side but I'm going to have to look up how to do the actual window frame for that because I have no idea.

The shed part will be 12ftx6ft as I want a side door instead of a front one. Looking to put a bike store and small greenhouse up against the front. It'll be more obvious where in this next photo.

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• Crimsonfox
• 8 Apr 2013
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• Crimsonfox
• 8 Apr 2013
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I've read that horizontal beams are only required so cladding has a good number of places to attach to, is this true? Because I'd be happy just attaching to the verticals.

That's how far I've got so far, just the basics I know, but I want to get this right. As you can see I want a small area on the left as a sort of porch but I'll need to think about the roofing as ideally I think I want it covered. Any ideas on this I'd be grateful.

So yeah, I'll post updates as I do them in case anyone is interested and then hopefully the build when it comes around to it. And please, if you see something, don't be afraid to comment on it.

Oh and hi! First post and all that. =)

 

[foxhole]

I used osb with 3X2 frame attached, reduces timber required, increases strength, reduces build time and gives unbroken surface to clad.
Overhang is so rain runs of walls at edge and does not soak base .
Extra wide door makes getting bikes in and out easier and the building more useful.

 

[Crimsonfox]

I used osb with 3X2 frame attached, reduces timber required, increases strength, reduces build time and gives unbroken surface to clad.

That's an interesting idea, are you saying the 3x2 frame sits between the verticals or replaces them completely?

Overhang is so rain runs of walls at edge and does not soak base .

This makes a whole lot of sense now, cheers.

Extra wide door makes getting bikes in and out easier and the building more useful.

I'll be making a separate bike store because we'll want to take it with us when we move (hopefully not soon ). That door on the plan is a standard width one and I can't imagine I'll need a bigger one.

Thanks Fox, i'll make the relevant changes to the plans.

 

[big-all]

you want all timbers off the ground by at least 1"
you want the sides to fully floor timbers to stop damp
my shed is constructed from 3x2" at 2ft centers for the floor wall and roof
the floor is on sand/slab brick/part slab felt/dpm then floor joists support every 2ft

http://s21.photobucket.com/user/bigall2005/media/e1e47346.pbw.html?sort=3&o=0

 

[Crimsonfox]

you want all timbers off the ground by at least 1"
you want the sides to fully floor timbers to stop damp
my shed is constructed from 3x2" at 2ft centers for the floor wall and roof
the floor is on sand/slab brick/part slab felt/dpm then floor joists support every 2ft

http://s21.photobucket.com/user/bigall2005/media/e1e47346.pbw.html?sort=3&o=0[/QUOTE]

Image not found on that link :/

So by the sounds of things 3x2's are perfectly fine to use for the framing instead of the 4x2's, which is good to hear. The base will be on slabs so there will be a decent clearance underneath, might have to consider putting some dpc and sand down though. And the framing in my plans is all 2ft centers already so that's good.

Cheers big!

 

[big-all]

does this link work
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/bigall2005/workshop011.jpg

 

[Crimsonfox]

does this link work
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/bigall2005/workshop011.jpg[/QUOTE]
There we go, I love the "secret" double door, very clever. Seeing the benefit of horizontal beams now as well, as far as I can tell they can be makeshift shelves and extra places to fit hooks etc to.

Getting way too many ambitious ideas now.

 

[big-all]

the good thing about the double doors is sheet material slides in without moving anything

also allows the flip saw to be rotated 90% and full width sheets can pass over the saw

there is actually a hatch now in the door to allow timber up to 9" wide to be fed in with the door shut keeping weather out and heat in

the walls on my shed are 72" but because off the "A" frame design its 76" in all the working areas
this gives the shed a more pleasing height less obtrusive

 

[Crimsonfox]

the good thing about the double doors is sheet material slides in without moving anything

also allows the flip saw to be rotated 90% and full width sheets can pass over the saw

there is actually a hatch now in the door to allow timber up to 9" wide to be fed in with the door shut keeping weather out and heat in

the walls on my shed are 72" but because off the "A" frame design its 76" in all the working areas
this gives the shed a more pleasing height less obtrusive

That's a nice feature, very handy when you need to get stuff done and the weather isn't cooperative. Luckily I don't have to worry as it'll be for storage mainly, maybe some potting and garden work as well.

Height wise there's a largeish wall with a fence on top behind where the shed will go so the 8ft won't be an issue. Also I'm 6ft4 so I want some headroom

 

[big-all]

just be aware off the rules to avoid planning permission
needs to be less than 2.5m from the ground to full height top off roof
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/house
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/outbuildings

 

[Crimsonfox]

just be aware off the rules to avoid planning permission
needs to be less than 2.5m from the ground to full height top off roof
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/house
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/permission/commonprojects/outbuildings[/QUOTE]
That second link states 2.5m to the eaves and 3m/4m depending on the roof, so it shouldn't be an issue?

 

[big-all]

its on a boundary wall [i think]so within 1m so smaller??

Maximum height of 2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or container within two metres of a boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse.

 

[Crimsonfox]

its on a boundary wall [i think]so within 1m so smaller??

Maximum height of 2.5 metres in the case of a building, enclosure or container within two metres of a boundary of the curtilage of the dwellinghouse.

Ah yes, I was mistaking the definition of curtlidge. Now I think of it, I wonder if the neighbours got permission, they have a tall shed on stilts at the end of their garden.

 

[big-all]

yes within means less than closer to

more than 2m away greater height less than 2m less height

 

[Crimsonfox]

more than 2m away greater height less than 2m less height

Okay, so here's an update.

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• Crimsonfox
• 11 Apr 2013
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Added in the flagstones and brought in the skids for water overflow (thanks to helpful people and their knowledge).

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• Crimsonfox
• 11 Apr 2013
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Shortened the whole thing thanks to the ol' planning regs (thanks big), is now 2.5m on the dot from flagstones to top of roof.

Switched the door to the other side for height purposes, I would still fit in, will just have to duck for the door.

Added a window on the side, considering to make it another joist width longer for the extra light if I decide to put a small potting table/workbench in there.

Added a roof! Please do comment on this as I've done some research and hopefully got the roof joists correct (below). Will be 1/2" ply.

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• Crimsonfox
• 11 Apr 2013
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Roof angle is around 7.5 degrees, which gives a 2/12 slope which I hear is a minimum but acceptable, as long as it drains? Also I know I need an extra vertical on the right, forgot to put it in.

Again, feel free to comment!