Simple Spur question

[stevec59]

Hi,
I need an extra socket in the kitchen for a new dishwasher, can I put an additional DOUBLE socket as a spur, or do I need to use a single, Or would it be better to 'Extend' the ring main, I guess I would need to use a junction box (30A?) to do this.

I guess a dishwasher is @ 10A?

Thanks

Steve

 

[Mike_W]

All work in a kitchen comes under Part P, therefore you are not allowed to do it, unless you inform building control in advance etc.

 

[ebee]

All work in a domestic dweling comes under Part P.
But that is not what was asked.

If, you`re absolutely sure that the existing is on a ring then you can spur off it, twin or single.
If the existing is a spur then you must ensure that the whole spur is fused ie from the ring to a fuse to any number of sockets making the total load of the spur 13A max.

It might be easier to extend the ring.

But you should be using correct test gear and adding a socket etc in a kitchen is notifiable

 

[GaryMo]

All work in a kitchen comes under Part P, therefore you are not allowed to do it, unless you inform building control in advance etc.

Why don't you just concentrate on answering the question instead of bleating on? Who's to say he's not going to notify anyway?

 

[stevec59]

Thanks Guys.
Yes I am sure it is Part of the ring that I want to add to, so I will just spur off it.

I am going to regret asking this but what is:-

All work in a kitchen comes under Part P, therefore you are not allowed to do it, unless you inform building control in advance etc.

All about?This is my own house, so I didn't know that I need to inform any one.

Thanks again

Steve

 

[tom_c]

Best bet is to read up here -

http://www.diynot.com/wiki/electrics:part_p:diy_electrical_work_and_the_law

Basically from the start of 2005 you cant do certain work without notifying Building Control.

 

[ebee]

Part P. of the Building regs.
Become law on 1st Jan 2005.
it`s 3 years old tomorrow.
ALL work in a domestic premises is subject to Part P.
The main bit is REASONABLE PROVISION SHOULD BE MADE FOR SAFETY -Which (effectively) means to BS 7671 (IEE Wiring Regulations 16th Edition) or similar regs by an EEC state or in theory any regs of a civilised country.
Some of it is notifiable (you submit a building notice to the local authority 48 hours before and pay a fee).
Alternatively employ a contractor who is registered with one of the 5 schemes and he will do the work and is allowed to notify after.
Notifiable works include a CU change, new circuits or any additions in a special location (Bathroom/swimming pool/sauna/outside etc) or a in a kitchen. Also any SELV (12V) lighting not prewired.

If you look up Part P on this site or the net in general you should get all the info you need.

It`s so little known that it`s almost a secret!!!!

And lots of folk that are aware of it are ignoring it too

 

[stevec59]

Thanks again Guys, knew I would regret asking

A friend of mine is an electrician, I will ask him to install it or if allowed, I will install and he will check.

I am more than happy to do the work, just checking with authoroties seems a pain.

Steve

 

[Richard C]

Thanks again Guys, knew I would regret asking

A friend of mine is an electrician, I will ask him to install it or if allowed, I will install and he will check.

I am more than happy to do the work, just checking with authoroties seems a pain.

Steve

It sure is a bloody pain, although I'm likely to get criticised for saying so! & I'm afraid getting your spark friend to do it wont work either; unless he's Part P certified, you will still have to notify.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Thanks again Guys, knew I would regret asking

You shouldn't.

You've got useful practical advice on how to do the task, and advice on the legal situation. What you do regarding the latter is up to you, but at least now it will be an informed decision, and you won't blunder into law-breaking by accident.