Smear Karma

[JohnD]

What has the fire service got to do with providing care homes?

What has a publicly funded public services got to do with a publicly funded public service, you ask?

Dummy.

 

[JohnD]

Everything in life is price according to the consumers budget.

You'll be happier when you move to a country where the ambulancemen ask for your credit card before taking you to hospital.

And we'll be glad to see you go.

 

[ellal]

You are really struggling to understand, that if you provide the same service to the guy who pays as the guy who doesn’t pay. Nobody is incentivised to have money to pay. The tax payer then picks up the bill for vastly more people who would pay if it wasn’t this way.

My mother had two sisters, both of whom went into care homes before they died...

One had had a very successful career, paid an awful lot in taxes and ended up coughing up close to £500k in care home fees.
The other had virtually no savings so the state probably spent the same on her.
But where is the fairness in that?

Dementia people tend to live a long time in care (or have live in carers at a similar rate) and are 'cash cows' for the private care companies wherever the money comes from!

Many European countries have better care systems because they care more for their people!

 

[ellal]

As she rightly says, if they ever visited her in the care home she is in now and felt that things were 'off' or they weren’t treating her mother well, being a paying customer, they could take her out of there and have her in somewhere else pretty quickly. If she was being funded, she'd have to put a complaint in, wait for it to be heard by a panel and if they agreed, it could still take some time to move her elsewhere. They don’t want that for their mum.

A word of advice...

Depending on the medical condition of your MIL, local authorities can impose a 'deprivation of liberty order'...

And should that happen they would probably have to go through a similar panel/hearing procedure...

Whether being state or privately funded, in order to get her moved would make no difference in that scenario.

 

[motorbiking]

My mother had two sisters, both of whom went into care homes before they died...

One had had a very successful career, paid an awful lot in taxes and ended up coughing up close to £500k in care home fees.
The other had virtually no savings so the state probably spent the same on her.
But where is the fairness in that?

Dementia people tend to live a long time in care (or have live in carers at a similar rate) and are 'cash cows' for the private care companies wherever the money comes from!

Many European countries have better care systems because they care more for their people!

It's totally unfair and provides zero incentive for the well off to fund their care.

not true

NHS / social services set fees for care homes is below market cost.......so those privately funded subsidise the state funded rooms

often the govt paid for care home place at around say £800 a week is the same as the privately funded one at £1300 a week.

I know this is true because my mother who was kept in hospital for months whilst the primary care trust and social services argued about who would pay.........and eventually she was given a place at a care home only very recently built

In any case care homes are yet another example of privatisation failure

So those who can afford to pay subsidise those who are funded. Where is the incentive to save for your own care.

This is exactly why we see so many people deliberately dwindle and structure their assets beyond their reach to avoid having to pay.

 

[motorbiking]

What has a publicly funded public services got to do with a publicly funded public service, you ask?

Dummy.

Oh dear poor JohnD would like to change the question he was asked to suite his imbecilic ramblings.

Perhaps when he goes on Holiday he expects a 4 star room for 2 star money, subsidised by his neighbour who pays 5 star prices for 4 star services so that John can enjoy the same sea view and all inclusive package. He probably calls it chipping in.

 

[Brigadier]

The very reason you're happy to live here in the first place is because people have, for centuries, paid their taxes and laid down the roots, the culture, and the infrastructure upon which we all enjoy our current existence.


For your post to have any validity, would you be happy to go to some barren piece of rock, desert, swamp, plain, or forest, and pay for the services, the sanitation, the utilities, the transport infrastructure..........................................................

............................that's to put it all in place?

Would you be better off?



No wonder you think you'd be better off: because you'd only be paying to use it, while others paid to put it there in the first place.

 

[Mottie]

A word of advice...

From you? No thanks.

 

[Notch7]

Where is the incentive to save for your own care.

better if care homes were government owned and run with a tax system accordingly

 

[Notch7]

This is exactly why we see so many people deliberately dwindle and structure their assets beyond their reach to avoid having to pay

yes the wealthy can afford the advisors to help them do that

 

[ellal]

From you? No thanks.

Suit yourself...

And remain ignorant as always!

But I do suggest you google it and educate that brain cell of yours...

If not for you, but for those who actually care!

 

[denso13]

So those who can afford to pay subsidise those who are funded

That's how society works, even though some would prefer that it didn't.

 

[ellal]

This is exactly why we see so many people deliberately dwindle and structure their assets beyond their reach to avoid having to pay.

And that is exactly why the system doesn't have the funds to provide what it should...

In other words a level playing field!

But just out of interest, do you think that rich people/corporates are better than poor people?

 

[motorbiking]

That's how society works, even though some would prefer that it didn't.

except in this case many people put their resources beyond their reach, not just the super rich. So it doesn't work.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

That's how society works, even though some would prefer that it didn't.

He could always just try living on minimum wage.

Wouldn't have to worry about anything then, it's a bed of roses apparently