Southport murderer pleads guilty

[Notch7]

it's possible the riots could have been avoided

WRONG

the Farage riots couldve been avoided if fickos didnt want to go and throw bricks at police cos they is too fick to know better

Reform voting fickos, who are a fick as Trump voters. its the same fickness

ficker than the fickest mince

 

[denso13]

into believing Hamas are not terrorists but the state of Israel is.

They both are.

 

[MNW67]

the Farage riots couldve been avoided if fickos didnt want to go and throw bricks at police cos they is too fick to know better

Reform voting fickos, who are a fick as Trump voters. its the same fickness

I think there was a lot of pent up anger after the election about getting so few seats with so many votes.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Any one involved in turning a blind eye or ignoring this scum bags past actions / behaviour

Should be arrested and charged with negligence

Tis about time these pencil pushers / paper shufflers so called experts

Parole officers etc

Should be held to account

Charged

And banged up

I share your anger, however I think we need to take a step back when using a broad brush like this.

Here's what I mean.

There could be someone working in this sphere who works extremely hard and always tries their best to ensure the correct outcome. However, I assume they work to certain policies and procedures. If they are presented with someone who doesn't meet the necessary criteria to be passed further along the investigative process, they could be pulled up by management if trying to circumvent policy and process.

Before anyone goes off on one, not for one sec am I defending any blatant wrongdoing by the authorities. However when you're a cog in a larger wheel, it's not always straightforward to do what you think should be done.

Then of course we get into the discussion around stretched services. I recall watching a tv prog a few years back and a social worker was saying they were meant to have a casebook of x clients per social worker. However due to budget cuts and lack of staff, each of them had a client base of y. I can't recall the numbers but the difference was stark. Something like should have had 5 clients to work with at any one time but actually had something like 25.

When in this type of scenario, that's when errors etc can creep in.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I think there was a lot of pent up anger after the election about getting so few seats with so many votes.

There's a growing sense of pent up anger in general, anger that's been allowed to build due to incompetent governing (across Europe) and poor policy decisions.

At some point, the anger boils over.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Media Advisory Notice – trial of Axel Rudakubana

The Attorney General issues a reminder about commenting on the trial of Axel Rudakubana and risks of being in contempt of court.

www.gov.uk

I don't know if the above applies to anyone talking about it but as the trial has not yet finalised, it may well do.

 

[MNW67]

There's a growing sense of pent up anger in general, anger that's been allowed to build due to incompetent governing (across Europe) and poor policy decisions.

At some point, the anger boils over.

I agree about the anger. The causes I am not so sure of. Sometimes I think we have just come to expect too much from government and the only way governments can get elected now is to lie blatantly. It's the same in America too. Probably the whole of the West.

 

[MNW67]

I don't know if the above applies to anyone talking about it but as the trial has not yet finalised, it may well do.

I think it must be OK actually since the guilty pleas. Otherwise, I can't imagine that the papers would be releasing all these new details.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

I think it must be OK actually since the guilty pleas. Otherwise, I can't imagine that the papers would be releasing all these new details.

We live in weird times. It says about commenting online though. Papers have lawyers to represent them and big pots of cash in comparison to Joe Bloggs off the street.

Edit: I'm going to retract my comments which couldor could not be viewed as affecting opinion until after the trial has been finalised.

 

[MNW67]

We live in weird times. It says about commenting online though. Papers have lawyers to represent them and big pots of cash in comparison to Joe Bloggs off the street.

Having read it again, I think this is the important bit. Because the jury have no role now, restrictions are effectively lifted.

However, you may be in risk of being in contempt of court if you publish material or comment online that is inaccurate, unfair, or involves discussion or commentary which could influence the jury’s deliberations. This includes anything that asserts or assumes, expressly or implicitly, the guilt of Axel Rudakubana. This is due to the risk of potentially jeopardising the criminal trial.

 

[denso13]

Having read it again, I think this is the important bit. Because the jury have no role now, restrictions are effectively lifted.

Agreed, it doesn't apply after a guilty plea.

 

[MNW67]

Some good analysis here from John Crace, who I think is very astute as well as being very funny:

Starmer began his statement with a reminder that this was all about the children who died. Getting justice for their families. Hence the public inquiry. No stone would be left unturned to uncover the truth. Nothing – no matter how embarrassing to the government – was off limits. There had been no cover-up. Of course he had been kept up to speed by the police throughout the investigation, but he was bound by the Contempt of Court Act. He couldn’t take the risk of revealing information just to get a few favourable headlines in the rightwing press.

And, yes, it had been tricky. Personally he would like to see the law changed. Clarified at the very least. Rudakubana had not initially been charged with terrorist offences – despite the presence of ricin and a book about al-Qaida training techniques – because there was no obvious sign of him having any terrorist ideology. He wasn’t an Islamist. He wasn’t even a Muslim. He was just a violent, sick teenager with a fascination for beheading and massacre videos who had three times slipped through the Prevent net.


Keir ended as he had begun. This was not a moment for point scoring. If things had gone wrong then the inquiry would make conclusions. Now was also not the time for Starmer to call the rioters “far right”. They were just criminals determined to make trouble. All in all, it was hard to think of a more balanced, considered response to a hideous crime. A statement to provide comfort and calm where necessary.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/21/keir-starmer-southport-inquiry-announcement-sketch

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I agree about the anger. The causes I am not so sure of. Sometimes I think we have just come to expect too much from government and the only way governments can get elected now is to lie blatantly. It's the same in America too. Probably the whole of the West.

I imagine I'd get shouted down for my thoughts on where things are going wrong in society. It's a multi-faceted issue for sure and I think some of the challenges are:

Lack of good parenting.
Breakdown of the more traditional family.
Lack of opportunity.
Immigration.
Social media.
Overly bureaucratic, too far reaching government.
Madness around multiple genders.
Lack of good parenting.

 

[MNW67]

And some funny bits:

So Nige woke up early and started tweeting. There had been a cover-up. Of course there had. He couldn’t say what the cover-up had been. Just that the politically correct, deep state had been at work again. Nige had an unfailing nose for this sort of thing.

In Nige world, responsibility is a word that generally goes missing. The rioters had been right to riot. It was only just and fair that they had. It had been the government trying to prevent rioters from lawfully rioting. Woke spoilsports.

Who wouldn’t automatically assume that online rumours that the suspect had been an Islamist who had entered the country on a small boat were true? Especially if you think the government was trying to conceal that. Any right-thinking person would riot.

Who could blame the rioters for continuing to riot even once the police had said the suspect came from a Christian family and was born in Cardiff. You can’t expect people to stop wrecking Southport. People needed to get their anger out. Besides, the police had probably been lying.

 

[MNW67]

I imagine I'd get shouted down for my thoughts on where things are going wrong in society. It's a multi-faceted issue for sure and I think some of the challenges are:

Lack of good parenting.
Breakdown of the more traditional family.
Lack of opportunity.
Immigration.
Social media.
Overly bureaucratic, too far reaching government.
Madness around multiple genders.
Lack of good parenting.

I would imagine if people knew by working hard they could afford to buy a house and live a decent life, some of those would be forgotten.