Teachers not wanting to go to work

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

What about Diddycoy?

Is it considered pejorative? Is it in frequent use? Is it in use to describe a group that brigadier thinks are responsible for the crime prevalent in his experience? Does it describe a distinct cultural group?
I suspect the answers to my questions will provide the answer to your question.

You could scrape the limit of your vocabulary, or even the limit of google to find words about which you can ask questions. But does it serve any real purpose?

 

[charliegolf]

It is not fine to be pejorative if that attitude unfairly describes a whole culture based on the actions or behaviour of a few individuals that may or may not belong to that group. We've already seen, from others posts, that that type of behaviour is not the sole preserve of any one cultural group. Therefore it is racially offensive to suggest that it is.
Or alternatively, find an eminent reference for your opinion that the word is not offensive.

I just know I'll be sorry for looking down this rabbit hole, but hey ho...

I happen to have actual experience (ie, not my mate down the pub; or some bloke off a forum) of travellers/gypsy communities. They came to my school(s), a few set down roots, mainly transient. The adults fell between two camps: education is not needed for our lifestyle; or, our kids need education to adjust to a changing world. The adults, while sometimes presenting as 'aggressive', were universally polite to me and my staff, at least to my face! On the whole I liked their kids, who did reasonably well with us.

But here's the thing... they never did themselves any favours. When they left anywhere, it needed cleaning with bulldozers! Pop-up camps more so, but the permanent camps too. If they had, a simple lifestyle 'on the land and byways', they certainly didn't respect the two when they moved. In Ireland, where most of mine came from, they are absolutely hated, for the same and worse. None ever did me wrong.

But you have to help yourself, it seems to me, and they don't seem to.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I just know I'll be sorry for looking down this rabbit hole, but hey ho...

I happen to have actual experience (ie, not my mate down the pub; or some bloke off a forum) of travellers/gypsy communities. They came to my school(s), a few set down roots, mainly transient. The adults fell between two camps: education is not needed for our lifestyle; or, our kids need education to adjust to a changing world. The adults, while sometimes presenting as 'aggressive', were universally polite to me and my staff, at least to my face! On the whole I liked their kids, who did reasonably well with us.

But here's the thing... they never did themselves any favours. When they left anywhere, it needed cleaning with bulldozers! Pop-up camps more so, but the permanent camps too. If they had, a simple lifestyle 'on the land and byways', they certainly didn't respect the two when they moved. In Ireland, where most of mine came from, they are absolutely hated, for the same and worse. None ever did me wrong.

But you have to help yourself, it seems to me, and they don't seem to.

They've also suffered from decades and decades of prejudice, distrust and in many cases mistreatment.
Which came first? The prejudice or the poor behaviour of a minority, some of whom may not belong to the cultural group under discussion.

It's like arguing that black kids in London don't do themselves any favours by being distrustful of the police. Why should we expect a group to trust an organisation that has displayed racism towards it, in the past?

Perpetuating the racism, division and hatred will not help to find a solution.

 

[JP_]

you have to help yourself, it seems to me, and they don't seem to.

Well, some help themselves to too much, usually other people's property!
Providing travellers with camps, with water and sanitation, is the only way to stop them turning up on school fields (happened during first lockdown) and leaving a mess.
My driveway was done by, who I believe to be, a traveller living on a camp near Basildon (there lots about that area). I looked his address up, lots of caravans near the A127, often near scrap heaps too. He was a nice enough guy though, although still charged too much for labour IMO!

But I also have an old friend that was a deputy head at a primary school in the Pitsea area, and she said that they used to have so much trouble from traveller families. The kids would often take a long time to adjust and often be very disruptive to over children - basically fighting, bullying and being "the man", aged 6 1/2.

 

[Mottie]

Well, some help themselves to too much, usually other people's property!

Not forgetting helping themselves to the life of a policeman when caught liberating someone else’s quad bike.

 

[durhamplumber]

Providing travellers with camps, with water and sanitation, is the only way to stop them turning up on school fields (happened during first lockdown) and leaving a mess.

Our council provides sites,bungalows,toilets etc...They prefer caravans in back lanes and messing up the grass verges.They make no attempt to integrate with the locals.They congregate around here every summer en-route to their Mecca(Appleby)

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Well, some help themselves to too much, usually other people's property!
Providing travellers with camps, with water and sanitation, is the only way to stop them turning up on school fields (happened during first lockdown) and leaving a mess.
My driveway was done by, who I believe to be, a traveller living on a camp near Basildon (there lots about that area). I looked his address up, lots of caravans near the A127, often near scrap heaps too. He was a nice enough guy though, although still charged too much for labour IMO!

But I also have an old friend that was a deputy head at a primary school in the Pitsea area, and she said that they used to have so much trouble from traveller families. The kids would often take a long time to adjust and often be very disruptive to over children - basically fighting, bullying and being "the man", aged 6 1/2.

My own drive, before I moved in here, had been tarmaced by them - it didn't long at all. It was one of the early jobs I had to do myself, long ago. They have now bought (I assume) a permanent camp some miles away. Since then we have constant ancient, Ford pick-up trucks, over-loaded being driven through the place, with no tax and no insurance. I have a clear warning on the gates that I have viscous dogs loose, to try to stop them pestering us to do our drive, always a spare load of tarmac on the truck, or repair my roof which has nothing at all wrong with it. They no longer come to the door, obviously they can read, instead they pull up at the end of the drive they see me about and demand I go to them.

I'm not a timid sort, I just tell them where to go, but I can see that less able neighbours might be taken in, or intimidated by their tactics. A couple of years ago, in the middle of the night, they ripped the hedge of the local school playing field down, to park up on there - this alongside one of the two main roads through the place.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Our council provides sites,bungalows,toilets etc...They prefer caravans in back lanes and messing up the grass verges.They make no attempt to integrate with the locals.They congregate around here every summer en-route to their Mecca(Appleby)

Yep, I have seen it - they take the place over with their horse and carts on the main roads.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Well, some help themselves to too much, usually other people's property!
Providing travellers with camps, with water and sanitation, is the only way to stop them turning up on school fields (happened during first lockdown) and leaving a mess.
My driveway was done by, who I believe to be, a traveller living on a camp near Basildon (there lots about that area). I looked his address up, lots of caravans near the A127, often near scrap heaps too. He was a nice enough guy though, although still charged too much for labour IMO!

But I also have an old friend that was a deputy head at a primary school in the Pitsea area, and she said that they used to have so much trouble from traveller families. The kids would often take a long time to adjust and often be very disruptive to over children - basically fighting, bullying and being "the man", aged 6 1/2.

Not forgetting helping themselves to the life of a policeman when caught liberating someone else’s quad bike.

Our council provides sites,bungalows,toilets etc...They prefer caravans in back lanes and messing up the grass verges.They make no attempt to integrate with the locals.They congregate around here every summer en-route to their Mecca(Appleby)

My own drive, before I moved in here, had been tarmaced by them - it didn't long at all. It was one of the early jobs I had to do myself, long ago. They have now bought (I assume) a permanent camp some miles away. Since then we have constant ancient, Ford pick-up trucks, over-loaded being driven through the place, with no tax and no insurance. I have a clear warning on the gates that I have viscous dogs loose, to try to stop them pestering us to do our drive, always a spare load of tarmac on the truck, or repair my roof which has nothing at all wrong with it. They no longer come to the door, obviously they can read, instead they pull up at the end of the drive they see me about and demand I go to them.

I'm not a timid sort, I just tell them where to go, but I can see that less able neighbours might be taken in, or intimidated by their tactics. A couple of years ago, in the middle of the night, they ripped the hedge of the local school playing field down, to park up on there - this alongside one of the two main roads through the place.

Yep, I have seen it - they take the place over with their horse and carts on the main roads.

And these are all gypsies, not just any itinerant people?

Gypsies have faced decades and decades of prejudice and mistreatment.

Mena Mongan remembers her time at school in Ireland in the 1970s as a miserable experience. Her primary school had never admitted Traveller children before, and she was shunned by fellow pupils. “Our school lunch was walked on top of. We had a terrible time. It hit us straight away that we were different. You wouldn’t even tell your parents; you wouldn’t want them to go down the school and complain and make things worse,” she says.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/16/gypsy-travellers-discrimination-stigma-poster-campaign​

 

[Mottie]

Not forgetting helping themselves to the life of a policeman when caught liberating someone else’s quad bike.

And these are all gypsies, not just any itinerant people?

Gypsies have faced decades and decades of prejudice and mistreatment.

Mena Mongan remembers her time at school in Ireland in the 1970s as a miserable experience. Her primary school had never admitted Traveller children before, and she was shunned by fellow pupils. “Our school lunch was walked on top of. We had a terrible time. It hit us straight away that we were different. You wouldn’t even tell your parents; you wouldn’t want them to go down the school and complain and make things worse,” she says.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/16/gypsy-travellers-discrimination-stigma-poster-campaign​

Make your own mind up.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-thugs-killed-pc-andrew-harper-had-criminals/

You know, people like you and Lally who bang the drum for justice for obvious wrong 'uns are really part of the problem. As long as there are lily limbered go-Golders like yourself acting as an advocate for them, they’ll never be think their lifestyle of being cheeky rogues is wrong.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Make your own mind up.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-thugs-killed-pc-andrew-harper-had-criminals/

You know, people like you and Lally who bang the drum for justice for obvious wrong 'uns are really part of the problem. As long as there are lily limbered go-Golders like yourself acting as an advocate for them, they’ll never be think their lifestyle of being cheeky rogues is wrong.

Were these school dropouts, itinerant travellers or Gypsies?
How can you tell?
It's a skill we could all find useful.

 

[Mottie]

Were these school dropouts, itinerant travellers or Gypsies?

Make your own mind up. You will anyway.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Make your own mind up. You will anyway.

I'll take that as you can't differentiate between school dropouts, itinerant travellers and Gypsies, so you'll continue with your prejudice against Gypsies.
You'll take any opportunity to further the prejudice and hate towards Gypsies.

 

[Dangee]

I’ll tell you what Bobby/Johtch.
Why don’t you pop down to the nearest Irish “traveller” site, have a nice little chat with them & then come back here & let us know how you get on. Please. Try it.

 

[Mottie]

I’ll tell you what Bobby/Johtch.
Why don’t you pop down to the nearest Irish “traveller” site, have a nice little chat with them & then come back here & let us know how you get on. Please. Try it.

Perhaps leave them your dog to look after too while you’re there.