The CE mark, is it still required?

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You misunderstand - that was not a promise to spend anything, let alone £350M a week, on the NHS.

It was a vague suggestion that some money might be left over after not sending £350M to the EU, making up the shortfalls in EU grants, counteracting the drop in Sterling and increased interest rates for Govt borrowing, some of which might be spent on things like the NHS.

Do pay attention :sneaky:
 
BAS don't lose the thread and start knocking people on your own side because you didn't recognise sarcasm.

I remember a promise to remove 5% VAT on petrol, using that 350M (which is mad on too many levels to mention). And I think I was told of a plan to deal with the mutant star goat threatening our solar system, again using the same money.

I am hoping that the thread continues because for once such a thread may indeed serve a useful purpose, and the moderators recognise this. With luck we can keep personal abuse out of it, and carry on with the discussion.
 
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Love the way that those who dare to disagree with remain are called 'ignorant', 'bigoted' or 'racist'. What you are unaware of is (ignorant) that the majority of Brexiters DID NOT vote to leave because they are racist, they DID NOT to leave vote because they are working class, ill educated nationalists or have concerns about their personal finance - they voted to leave because they are sick of being told what to do, what to say, how to say it, how to behave and what laws to obey by a bunch of people who think they are very clever, educated, non-working class and too worthy to listen to dissent. The result is, as you see. And after forty years acquiescing to the socialist experiment isn't it about time that the silent majority had their way for a bit without this hysterical reaction? All will be fine and, from our point of view, under dignified terms. We will have to wait for the media driven storm of protest to abate - for example, looking for Nazi connections, trying to link the result to the BNP, eternal items on speculated negative effects. We are much better than that, more positive, more innovative and more generous. So, whilst initially disturbing, I suggest that those that bleat accept what has happened and work to support your country as it will need all of us.

Regards
 
Love the way that those who dare to disagree with remain are called 'ignorant', 'bigoted' or 'racist'.
But they are.


What you are unaware of is (ignorant) that the majority of Brexiters DID NOT vote to leave because they are racist,
Very many did.


they DID NOT to leave vote because they are working class,
No, not because of that.


ill educated nationalists or have concerns about their personal finance
Clearly they had no concerns about the latter. And as for the former you only have to look at the correlation between level of education and propensity to vote Leave.


they voted to leave because they are sick of being told what to do, what to say, how to say it, how to behave and what laws to obey by a bunch of people who think they are very clever, educated, non-working class and too worthy to listen to dissent.
That bunch are the ones they voted into office, time and time again.


And after forty years acquiescing to the socialist experiment isn't it about time that the silent majority had their way for a bit without this hysterical reaction?
I never realised that the dismantling of our manufacturing base kicked off by Thatcher, the emasculation of the Trade Union movement, the selling off of publicly owned infrastructure, the financial deregulation which led to the last crash, etc, was a socialist experiment.



All will be fine
I wish that were so, but it is not.

If we leave it will be far from fine. The economy will tank, the cost of borrowing will rise, the pound will fall, inflation and unemployment will rise, food and fuel will cost people who are already struggling even more, austerity cuts will get worse and will go on for even longer. The people you refer to above will not see one penny of the money the Leave campaign said would be sloshing around in our coffers if we left the EU, they will be worse off than they are now.

And immigration from the EU will not have stopped.


We will have to wait for the media driven storm of protest to abate
Funny how you describe the protest as that - it was the media driven, lying demonisation of the EU and of migrants which got us into this mess in the first place.


- for example, looking for Nazi connections
I think you'll find that it was Boris Johnson, vacillating opportunist poster boy for the Leave campaign and putative next (unelected) Prime Minister who did that.


I suggest that those that bleat accept what has happened and work to support your country as it will need all of us.
The best way for people to support their country is to work to find a way to avoid leaving the EU.
 
But they are.
Oh no they're not!

Very many did.
Oh no they didn't!

No, not because of that.
He's behind you!

Sorry, I got carried away...

And as for the former you only have to look at the correlation between level of education and propensity to vote Leave.
Yeah, the ones with GCSEs voted Remain and the ones with O levels voted leave, nuff said! ;)

That bunch are the ones they voted into office, time and time again.
Look closer: The PC liberal agenda started with New Labour, and over their 8 year reign we got a divergence of attitude. We witnessed this divergence with switch to a coalition of Conservatives and Lib Dems -the first real sign of a political war that had been brewing among the electorate between the New liberals and the disenfrachised common-law Conservatives. Next, the disenfranchised voted in a fully Conservative government who were the best of a wet bunch (againt most predictions). Then they went one step further and told all the parties just what they thought of them, by voting Leave (against most predictions). This was the biggest wake-up call for the liberal agenda so far (esp for London); they have suddenly discovered that half the population will no longer be browbeaten into sharing their wet dream of the future. We may yet remain in the EU, but not as we know it: the liberals are going to be looking over their shoulder a lot more from now on.
 
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Hmm, this place is not somewhere to come read posts these days, all full of continual arguing about Brexit.

Back to the Op, most likely not as ISTR that the CE mark was actually born out of the BS marks in the first place, our testing and safety has been used to make a lot of EU regulations because we are good at it.
We will not be dropping things like the EMC directive, low voltage directive etc just because we are no longer governed by Brussels.

Certainly not if we want to be able to sell to the rest of the Eu still.
 
Look closer: The PC liberal agenda started with New Labour, and over their 8 year reign we got a divergence of attitude.
No - you look closer.

Look more closely, and actually bother to think, about what "political correctness" really is, and more importantly what it is not.

If it is anything, it is simply the principle that you should think about the things you say and do to avoid needlessly, thoughtlessly or gratuitously giving offence to people.

It does not mean that councils cannot put up Christmas lights for fear of offending non-Christians

It does not mean that the "Baa Baa Black Sheep" nursery rhyme has to have its words changed.

It does not exist in the pejorative sense meant by those who use the term to complain. In that sense it is a concept invented by people who wish to discredit liberal and progressive social policies.

And I suspect you are one of those people, or you are someone who has been brainwashed by the likes of the Mail and the Express into believing that is what PC is. What you or your fellow travellers do is to promulgate that notion (or, if that doesn't work, make up lies such as councils banning Christmas lights) so that you can bang on about "political correctness gone mad", your ultimate aim being to bring about an environment where any criticism of racism, or sexism, (or <whatever>ism), is all daft and over-sensitive, and is all "political correctness gone mad", and slowly and insidiously that view takes hold.

What happens then is that people start to act as if political correctness means bending over backwards to not give offence where none can be taken, or to deliberately avoid doing anything where gender, or race, or whatever is a genuine factor.

What happens then is that some people running nurseries think they do have to change the words of Baa Baa Black Sheep. Which is stupid and offensive to anybody who can think.

What happens then is that child sexual exploitation goes on for years and years without being properly investigated because the agencies involved believe that political correctness means it would be "racist" go after the perpetrators because they are Asian. How many children's lives were utterly and permanently ruined because people like you created this false notion of what "political correctness" is?


We witnessed this divergence with switch to a coalition of Conservatives and Lib Dems -the first real sign of a political war that had been brewing among the electorate between the New liberals and the disenfrachised common-law Conservatives.
What has that got to do with membership of the EU?


Next, the disenfranchised voted in a fully Conservative government who were the best of a wet bunch (againt most predictions).
Leaving aside the sheer suicidal insanity of people whose lives had been wrecked by Thatcherism and the bankers and the austerity cuts ever voting Tory in the first place, what has that got to do with membership of the EU?


Then they went one step further and told all the parties just what they thought of them, by voting Leave (against most predictions).
And there you have it.

Voting to leave the EU, with all the damage that will wreak, and all the limitations it will force onto future generations because you don't like the way that successive UK governments have treated you? Where on earth is the sense in that?

How on earth is giving one set of uncaring, disconnected, "Westminster bubble" elites such an embarrassing kicking that they get ousted by a replacement set of the same going to help them?

Did the people who voted like that really think that it would reverse the cuts, build transport infrastructures and businesses, generate investment and jobs?

And if they didn't, then WTF did they do it?

Philip Pullman summed it up quite well:

"We had a headache, so we shot our foot off. Now we can't walk, and we still have the headache."​

It's not democracy, at least, not the sort that has any decency, or claim to be based on understanding, knowledge and reason.

It's not democracy, not if democracy is to mean anything useful, and is to be a sensible way to run a country.

It's mob rule. It's the ballot-box equivalent of rioters burning down their own shops and their own pubs and their own cars.


This was the biggest wake-up call for the liberal agenda so far (esp for London); they have suddenly discovered that half the population will no longer be browbeaten into sharing their wet dream of the future. We may yet remain in the EU, but not as we know it: the liberals are going to be looking over their shoulder a lot more from now on.
Just what is it about ideas such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, and international cooperation that you don't like?

Also, referenda have no formal place in our constitution, and are not legally binding. What are you going to do if the huge majority of MPs who support remaining decide that they are not going to be browbeaten by your side, who you clearly say did not vote to leave because that's what they actually wanted to do, into flushing this country down the pan?
 
most likely not as ISTR that the CE mark was actually born out of the BS marks in the first place.

Lots of DIN, because UK chose not to join in at first.

Though (probably) all countries had their own standards for lots of stuff, when you want to export and import into a single market it makes sense to have agreed standards.

Remember the Americans and their disastrous inches/mm problems.
 
think, about what "political correctness" really is, and more importantly what it is not. If it is anything, it is simply the principle that you should think about the things you say and do to avoid needlessly, thoughtlessly or gratuitously giving offence to people.
That is not political correctness, that is common-sense and decency. PCness is about the policing of language. It may have started out with good intentions, but it has become the driving paradigm of thought-crime and litigation. PCness has no formal defintion; what it 'is' is how people use it, how they behave. When councils ban the English flag for fear of offense (genuine examples like that do exist), they may be silly overreactions but are still symptoms and manifestations of PCness; such examples would never exist if it weren't for the environment created by the liberal agenda.

What you or your fellow travellers do is to promulgate that notion so that you can bang on about "political correctness gone mad", your ultimate aim being to bring about an environment where any criticism of racism, or sexism, is all daft and over-sensitive, and is all "political correctness gone mad", and slowly and insidiously that view takes hold.
Such a claim is staggeringly naive and contradictory. Calling it 'PC gone mad' has not somehow legitimised genuine racism; you only have to look around to see that all criticism of religion, immigration etc, is instantly labelled as Islammophobia or racism; all discourse -reasonable or not- is treated with unilateral censorship by the supposedly tolerant liberal agenda. Genuinely racist etc views seem to be spreading because even moderate disussion is effectively banned, not because it is being legitimised. That is the very essence of 'PC gone mad' -the abandonment of logic and reason in favour of 'feelings' and perceived 'offense'.
 
That is not political correctness, that is common-sense and decency.
If political correctness really is anything, that is exactly what it is.


PCness is about the policing of language.
If so then that is because people like you have twisted it to become that as part of your campaign to reject liberal and progressive social policies.


It may have started out with good intentions, but it has become the driving paradigm of thought-crime and litigation.
If so then that is because people like you have twisted it to become that as part of your campaign to reject liberal and progressive social policies.


When councils ban the English flag for fear of offense (genuine examples like that do exist), they may be silly overreactions but are still symptoms and manifestations of PCness;
No - they are manifestations of what people like you have done as part of your campaign to reject liberal and progressive social policies.

If a council really has "banned the English flag", then that is not because they actually had to to avoid offending people, it's because people like you have convinced them that that is what "political correctness" requires, and you have done that so that you can then turn round and say "look how stupid political correctness is".


such examples would never exist if it weren't for the environment created by the liberal agenda.
No - such examples would never exist if it weren't for people like you promulgating a false concept of what PC is, which you do in order to associate anything liberal or progressive which you don't like with "PC gone mad". What you want is for all criticism of sexist, racist, whatever-ist behaviour to be regarded as "PC gone mad".

Because you cannot advance a reasonable, intelligent, decent argument against the idea of liberal policies (I'm still waiting for you to explain just what is it about ideas such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, and international cooperation that is unacceptable) you trash them by conflating them with nurseries rewriting Baa Baa Black Sheep.


Such a claim is staggeringly naive and contradictory. Calling it 'PC gone mad' has not somehow legitimised genuine racism; you only have to look around to see that all criticism of religion, immigration etc, is instantly labelled as Islammophobia or racism; all discourse -reasonable or not- is treated with unilateral censorship by the supposedly tolerant liberal agenda. Genuinely racist etc views seem to be spreading because even moderate disussion is effectively banned, not because it is being legitimised. That is the very essence of 'PC gone mad' -the abandonment of logic and reason in favour of 'feelings' and perceived 'offense'.
That is precisely because people like you have, sadly, been so successful in making any criticism of racism etc seem ridiculous that the corollary has arisen whereby people have begun to think that anything which takes account of race must be racist.

People like you have done something which ruined lives of children in Rotherham because the the agencies involved had been misled by people like you into thinking that they must not look at the ethnic background of the perpetrators because that would be racist.
 
that is because people like you have twisted it to become that as part of your campaign to reject liberal and progressive social policies.
Oh yes, I was forgetting I was part of some collective, orchestrated campaign with a well thought out conspiratorial plan.:rolleyes:

No - they are manifestations of what people like you have done as part of your campaign to reject liberal and progressive social policies.
and you have done that so that you can then turn round and say "look how stupid political correctness is".
So what you're saying is, people 'like me' who ridicule others for banning the English flag (or whatever) are the people who made them ban the flag in the first place? What is this, some kind of reverse psychology? Criticise PC culture so people will become even more excessively PC, so we can criticise it more? Genius.

Because you cannot advance a reasonable, intelligent, decent argument against the idea of liberal policies
Because labelling literally all dissent or legitimate criticism as racist bigoted hate crime is a reasonable, intelligent reaction that promotes tolerance and freedom of expression?

People like you have done something which ruined lives of children in Rotherham because the the agencies involved had been misled by people like you into thinking that they must not look at the ethnic background of the perpetrators because that would be racist.
Suuuure we did. People 'like me' who promote reason and logic instead of endless racial labelling, are the one who scared the police into not investigating a racial minority gang. It had nothing to do with the Government's own clampdown on police racial profiling and the assumption that the liberal reaction would be to cry 'racists'! Oh no.
 
Every word you write confirms the truth of what I say.

I do accept though that you may have been brainwashed by your predecessors into this distorted opinion of what PC is.
 

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