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[denso13]

A fatal dose of opioids (doctor prescribed) can be relatively quick in some and take much longer in others, there is nothing to suggest that would be different with assisted dying. Or worse, as seen with botched death penalties in the US. There may be a way forward that is compassionate but doesn't involve state sponsored suicide, for example cps guidance, or acceptable medical advances. But end of life is not the same as ending life

Do you think people should have the right to ask for assistance at the end of their lives or not?

 

[motorbiking]

they already have that.

The bill is about assistance to end their life, due to terminal illness.

 

[denso13]

The bill is about assistance to end their life

Which is of course what I meant, that is what the thread is about, jeez...

 

[motorbiking]

you're welcome

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Do you think people should have the right to ask for assistance at the end of their lives or not?

It really is that simple.

But gets avoided.

And approves of a large dose of morphine to hasten the end

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Which is of course what I meant, that is what the thread is about, jeez...

Amazing that that needed explaining

 

[blup]

Do you think people should have the right to ask for assistance at the end of their lives or not?

People already have the right to end their own lives, with or without assistance. But the provision of humane and compassionate palliative care by doctors nurses and hospices is quite different from the state managed death. There may be a way forward but this bill doesn't provide it, and its not a reason to pass it because it might lead to something better.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

People already have the right to end their own lives, with or without assistance. But the provision of humane and compassionate palliative care by doctors nurses and hospices is quite different from the state managed death. There may be a way forward but this bill doesn't provide it, and its not a reason to pass it because it might lead to something better.

So you agree it's ok to travel with somebody abroad for assisted dying.

But not let it happen here

You keep avoiding, what's wrong with having the choice?

 

[ellal]

People already have the right to end their own lives, with or without assistance. But the provision of humane and compassionate palliative care by doctors nurses and hospices is quite different from the state managed death. There may be a way forward but this bill doesn't provide it, and its not a reason to pass it because it might lead to something better.

So your idea of 'choice' is for someone terminally ill and possibly in immense pain to commit suicide or travel abroad to get an assisted death.

And should a person decide to travel abroad then they would die with thoughts of what might happen to anyone who may have helped them.
Or if that was too big a burden to carry, they would have to 'choose' to die without any family or friends around them.
If of course they were physically able to get abroad solo.

If a person believes that they would never choose an assisted death, then that's fine.
But to refuse that choice to anyone else is simply extremely selfish and cruel.

A person has the right to opt out of organ donation to save another person's life.
But should a situation arise, then choose to accept an organ.
Which is totally selfish and hypocritical.

Some may argue that refusing to help someone live after your own death should mean that you would not be given the chance to live after someone else's death.

So I guess compassion is indeed a choice!

 

[denso13]

People already have the right to end their own lives, with or without assistance.

In the UK? What rights do you mean?

 

[blup]

So your idea of 'choice' is for someone terminally ill and possibly in immense pain to commit suicide or travel abroad to get an assisted death.

And should a person decide to travel abroad then they would die with thoughts of what might happen to anyone who may have helped them.
Or if that was too big a burden to carry, they would have to 'choose' to die without any family or friends around them.
If of course they were physically able to get abroad solo.

If a person believes that they would never choose an assisted death, then that's fine.
But to refuse that choice to anyone else is simply extremely selfish and cruel.

A person has the right to opt out of organ donation to save another person's life.
But should a situation arise, then choose to accept an organ.
Which is totally selfish and hypocritical.

Some may argue that refusing to help someone live after your own death should mean that you would not be given the chance to live after someone else's death.

So I guess compassion is indeed a choice!

If you are determined to go you will go, its not a holiday destination

 

[blup]

In the UK? What rights do you mean?

To take your own life.

 

[denso13]

To take your own life.

You have the right to commit suicide and have someone assist you?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

To take your own life.

What's wrong with a choice ?

It's not compulsory

 

[motorbiking]

It is not illegal to procure various things that can cause a near painless suicide. It is not illegal to supply them, it is not illegal to take them.
It is not illegal for a Hospice doctor/nurse to give you a big dose of whatever so that you sleep through your last moments.

The bill which empowers a person diagnosed with 6 months to live having spent their last few good months dealing with forms, doctors and the family court, to apply for a "divorce from life". gains very little if they can even get the approval in a meaningful timeframe.