Trumps attack on Iran - 2026 edition

How will the upcoming attack on Iran go.

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Highway Man said:
Whichever way you look at Trump, the USA are our biggest and most powerful ally that we need to keep on our side, we should have allowed the USA to use our bases on the first phone call and not take 36 hrs, we are reliant on the USA for our military operations as withoutt them we are nothing and that is a fact. NATO is also reliant on the USA, so Trump aside, he will not be here for ever and we need to rebuild that special relationship we held with them. We do not need to comit troops in an attacking role but we do need to do our bit in the defensive roole, that includes keeping the Straits of Hormuz clear for the sake of the worlds economy as it is in our own interest.
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I don't disagree with the assertion that 'the special relationship' in whatever form it exists is bigger than presidents and PMs. They come, they go, it is the layers of administration below them that keep things running longer term.

However to me one thing is undoubtedly true. Trump and Netanyahu started this, it's evidently not going the way they assumed it would, and now other countries are being increasingly dragged in.

Ok it can be asserted that's what working in collaboration sometimes means, however Trump doesn't exactly help matters with his rhetoric.

He thought the Strait situation would never arise, thought they'd be in and out before then, now that hasn't happened we're all being asked to send ships. I thought he didn't need our ships?
 
diy_fun_uk said:
I don't disagree with the assertion that 'the special relationship' in whatever form it exists is bigger than presidents and PMs. They come, they go, it is the layers of administration below them that keep things running longer term.

However to me one thing is undoubtedly true. Trump and Netanyahu started this, it's evidently not going the way they assumed it would, and now other countries are being increasingly dragged in.

Ok it can be asserted that's what working in collaboration sometimes means, however Trump doesn't exactly help matters with his rhetoric.

He thought the Strait situation would never arise, thought they'd be in and out before then, now that hasn't happened we're all being asked to send ships. I thought he didn't need our ships?
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I don't think we have any to send, maybe one or two that are operational, we have to keep so many here in any event. Not sure on the actual numbers of ships that we have but if we said 7 or 8, 3 have to be kept here in the UK, 3 operational and 2 in maintenance then it doesnt leave a lot to send out to the straights.
 
Highway Man said:
I don't think we have any to send, maybe one or two that are operational, we have to keep so many here in any event. Not sure on the actual numbers of ships that we have but if we said 7 or 8, 3 have to be kept here in the UK, 3 operational and 2 in maintenance then it doesnt leave a lot to send out to the straights.
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When it comes to mine sweeper vessels, apparently we have 7. 3 are always kept in our waters for our own security, 3 are in dry dock (surprise surprise) and we apparently had 1 in or near the Gulf that we brought back shortly before the conflict started.
 
diy_fun_uk said:
When it comes to mine sweeper vessels, apparently we have 7. 3 are always kept in our waters for our own security, 3 are in dry dock (surprise surprise) and we apparently had 1 in or near the Gulf that we brought back shortly before the conflict started.
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Just shows how we rely on NATO and the USA to prop us up, our army and navy used to be the pride of our country at one time, we have reduced this to make us completely insignificant as far as a partner to anyone.
 
noseall said:
The goose-step march to Tump-fascism continues.
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It's all happening in plain sight.

Trump got massive criticism for wearing a baseball cap whilst receiving the dead soldiers from Iran. So, the state broadcaster (Fox) refused to show the real footage when presenting their coverage of the ceremony and instead broadcast footage of Trump at a ceremony last year when he was dressed more appropriately.
 
Highway Man said:
I don't think we have any to send, maybe one or two that are operational, we have to keep so many here in any event. Not sure on the actual numbers of ships that we have but if we said 7 or 8, 3 have to be kept here in the UK, 3 operational and 2 in maintenance then it doesnt leave a lot to send out to the straights.
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I think you'll find a lot of our capability has been promised for the North Atlantic at some point...

Maybe to stand up politically to the orange rapist ;)

But you are right in the fact that the UK has very little real firepower...

Successive governments have pared back the armed forces to such an extent that we lack a credible fighting force...

The only reason the UK is erroneously considered a country to be reckoned with is because of two lame duck carriers and nukes...

The former can't sail without a helping hand from other nations in order that they aren't just multi billion pound floating targets, and are also reliant on US jets...

The latter barely keeps one sub at sea at any one time, and is also reliant on the US.

We are now in a very dangerous world, and need to work with our closest and most reliable allies - Europe!
 
diy_fun_uk said:
However to me one thing is undoubtedly true. Trump and Netanyahu started this, it's evidently not going the way they assumed it would, and now other countries are being increasingly dragged in.
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Hezbollah, Hamas the Houthis and Iraqi Shiite militias are and always have been proxies for Iran to extend their power base and influence, and to wreak havoc against the West.

What's happened in recent weeks had to happen sooner or later, the fact that Israel and the US are the only countries with the balls to take them on doesn't necessarily mean they started it.

If the Iranian 'problem' can be solved the whole world will benefit.
 
ellal said:
I think you'll find a lot of our capability has been promised for the North Atlantic at some point...

Maybe to stand up politically to the orange rapist ;)

But you are right in the fact that the UK has very little real firepower...

Successive governments have pared back the armed forces to such an extent that we lack a credible fighting force...

The only reason the UK is erroneously considered a country to be reckoned with is because of two lame duck carriers and nukes...

The former can't sail without a helping hand from other nations in order that they aren't just multi billion pound floating targets, and are also reliant on US jets...

The latter barely keeps one sub at sea at any one time, and is also reliant on the US.

We are now in a very dangerous world, and need to work with our closest and most reliable allies - Europe!
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I have witnessed the degrade and the lack of spending when I was in the army, at first our kit was issued and replaced with ease, later years we took out personal insurance to cover the cost of replacement in case we damaged or lost any of it, our comms was upgraded which took years and was outdated by the time it was released, our regiments were scrapped and disbanded, voluntary redundancies as well as forced redundancies were made, recruitment never hit its targets, all to reduce costs and numptys in offices favouring drones and electronic warfare and cyber infrastructure was favourable to actual foot soldiers. The numbers dwindled and now when we need more men and equipment, it isn't there any more. It will take 5 years to replenish and the governments knew this 3 years ago and still done very little towards it. We are not or nowhere near what we used to be as far as a military force.
 
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I see the reprehensible idiot wants other nations to sort out his mess. He's asking nations to send their warships to a classic 'kill box', so that we can start losing our servicepeople too.
 
JohnD said:
Will the US help Europe, when a foreign invader attacks Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Canada or Greenland?

I wouldn't count on it.

Whose side will Trump be on, when China invades Taiwan?
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It is a. risk we need to take because without them we are stuffed. They are our allies and both Starmer and Trump will hopefully be out of the equaision when the call for help is needed.
 
fillyboy said:
Hezbollah, Hamas the Houthis and Iraqi Shiite militias are and always have been proxies for Iran to extend their power base and influence, and to wreak havoc against the West.

What's happened in recent weeks had to happen sooner or later, the fact that Israel and the US are the only countries with the balls to take them on doesn't necessarily mean they started it.

If the Iranian 'problem' can be solved the whole world will benefit.
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Exactly. The problem is islam, not Trump. All the civilised countries of the world should join in the mighty task of excising the cancer on the world that is islam.
 
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