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Two-Tierness
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We know you support the violence and murder of people who say things you don't like, there's no need to go on about it.
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Who said this?What about an Islamist who comes out onto the street to confront a man exercising free speech, tells him, "I'm going to kill you," goes back into his house, retrieves a knife and attempts to stab the man to death.
Zero jail time. For attempted murder.
'Extremist Muslims get green light to take law into own hands'
Hamit Coskun, 51, shouted 'f*** Islam', 'Islam is religion of terrorism' and 'Koran is burning', as he held the flaming book during a protest in west London on February 13.www.dailymail.co.uk
Yet people have been sentenced to 30 months jail for saying they 'would not care' if hotels were set on fire.
Have you quoted part of what was said, or ALL of what was said ?
You just can't bring yourself to speak in good faith, can you? You can't even say, "Sure, that sentence was woefully inadequate for someone who threatens to kill someone, then attacks them with a knife."
"Poster X says something. Therefore. I must say... Opposite."
Are you serious? That's a line from SPLINE's #10, taken out of context. It was MNW67's #3 that said White people get lesser sentences than ethnic minorities for the same crime
So let's forget the attempted murder and go for what clearly and evidently happened.
There's threats to kill. Maximum sentence 10 years.
Possession of a bladed article in public. Max 4 years.
GBH with intent. Max life in prison.
We know what would have happened if it had been someone on the patriot march, for example. They would have been jailed for a long time. I reckon at least 15 years.
But because of two tier justice, this fine specimen spent not a single day in prison.
Apparently, he is a fine specimen. The judge said that he is a 59 year old man of previously exemplary character who does a lot of work for charities. The judges full remarks are linked below.
I don't know much about the first two offences you mention, except that they both cover a massive range from community orders up to the maximum sentence. The judge, looking at all the facts and using his experience, explains his sentence below.
I do know, however, that it cannot be GBH, because no injury was suffered, let alone a grievous one.
It looks like the actual charges brought were common assault and possession of a bladed article.
A bit like Jimmy Savile, then.
I believe GBH with intent under section 18 also carries a life sentence and does not require injury to result. The intent would have been clear even without the threats to kill, and the man actually going away then returning with the knife.
Yes, the police together with the CPS sought to minimise the crime as much as possible, and this was rounded off by the judge who sentence towards the minimums on all counts.
Two tier justice, and blatantly so.
The S18 offence is causing GBH with intent. This means that you actually have to cause grievous bodily harm and also you must have intended to cause grievous bodily harm.
As far as I am aware, the only assault against the person charge that is applicable when no harm is caused is "common assault". All the others require some degree of harm, such as the ABH offence.
I imagine he had injuries as he was on the ground fending off kicks, just no stab wounds. Whatever the legal intricacies, we both know that if someone on a council estate had done to same to a Muslim who had been practicing their free speech, they'd be jailed for a dozen years minimum.
If you reverse the situation so it was a Muslim man burning the Union Jack, and a highly respected 59 year old white man of impeccable character lost his rag, then I believe you would see a very similar outcome. The charges you want to bring of attempted murder and GBH simply do not apply. Legally, it is a common assault case.
You don't believe that any more than I do.
Also, I looked it up. The victim, Coskun, was badly injured in the attack and was taken to hospital. So it was at least GBH with intent, as I said. A sentence of 20 years+ would have been on the table.
When a childminder with no criminal record is jailed for 31 months for tweeting she wouldn't mind if a hotel were set on fire, then deleting it moments later, the idea a Muslim receives no jail for attacking someone with a knife in the street causing serious injury whilst screaming he's going to kill him is the same as saying that some people are above the law. And we know who these 'some people' are.
