Two-Tierness

[MNW67]

You don't believe that any more than I do.

Also, I looked it up. The victim, Coskun, was badly injured in the attack and was taken to hospital. So it was at least GBH with intent, as I said. A sentence of 20 years+ would have been on the table.

When a childminder with no criminal record is jailed for 31 months for tweeting she wouldn't mind if a hotel were set on fire, then deleting it moments later, the idea a Muslim receives no jail for attacking someone with a knife in the street causing serious injury whilst screaming he's going to kill him is the same as saying that some people are above the law. And we know who these 'some people' are.

The report says:

Coskun sustained an injured finger and was taken to hospital, though it is not clear whether this was caused by the man’s kicks, the court heard

The injury was likely caused by a cyclist who ran over his hand.

That is far from being GBH.

People need to approach these cases rationally and objectively like the judge did and like I try to.

As regards the final point, when it comes to the law, comparing apples and oranges is a fool's game.

 

[Si_]

The report says:



The injury was likely caused by a cyclist who ran over his hand.

That is far from being GBH.

People need to approach these cases rationally and objectively like judge did and like I try to.

As regards the final point, when it comes to the law, comparing apples and oranges is a fool's game.

All these things are details. He was injured when a man who threatened to kill him subsequently attacked him with a knife, slashed at him, knocked him to the ground, kicked him and spat on him. Right there is a 15 years jail without the GBH.

And it's worth while making the point this two tier justice isn't race-based. The victim is a brown skinned Turk, the attempted murderer is white skinned. It's entirely down to the push to prevent criticism of Islam. Because I guarantee (and you can come back and mock me if I'm wrong) that someone in the UK will be murdered by an Islamist in the next 18 months for criticism of Islam because case law has effectively proven that violence against such a person is entirely acceptable and will not be punished.

 

[MNW67]

All these things are details. He was injured when a man who threatened to kill him subsequently attacked him with a knife, slashed at him, knocked him to the ground, kicked him and spat on him. Right there is a 15 years jail without the GBH.

And it's worth while making the point this two tier justice isn't race-based. The victim is a brown skinned Turk, the attempted murderer is white skinned. It's entirely down to the push to prevent criticism of Islam. Because I guarantee (and you can come back and mock me if I'm wrong) that someone in the UK will be murdered by an Islamist in the next 18 months for criticism of Islam because case law has effectively proven that violence against such a person is entirely acceptable and will not be punished.

I did a very quick Google for recent cases. The man in the article below was only sentenced to four years for racially aggravated GBH with intent (by stabbing). You seem to be way off in your estimation of what sentences are actually given to white men.

https://www.btp.police.uk/news/btp/news/in-the-courts/man-jailed-after-racially-aggravated-stabbing---london/

 

[Si_]

I did a very quick Google for recent cases. The man in the article below was only sentenced to four years for racially aggravated GBH with intent (by stabbing). You seem to be way off in your estimation of what sentences are actually given to white men.

https://www.btp.police.uk/news/btp/news/in-the-courts/man-jailed-after-racially-aggravated-stabbing---london/

Four years would have been better than nothing. A search for threats to kill, knife, on Google results in average 7 - 31 months, and that's without any attack.

 

[MNW67]

Four years would have been better than nothing. A search for threats to kill, knife, on Google results in average 7 - 31 months, and that's without any attack.

There was no GBH, there was no meaningful threat to kill, there was no actual injury caused by the perpetrator at all. He was charged with carrying a knife and common assault. Those were the only offences available.

The four years was for a man who stabbed another man repeatedly, nearly killing him, in a racially motivated attack.

The two cases simply are not comparable at all.

I can't work out whether you are just having a bit of fun with this or whether you are posting seriously!

 

[Si_]

The two cases simply are not comparable at all.

You were one who posted the 'comparison' case. It's clear you have no argument that stands up to scrutiny, but it's a new one when you start arguing against yourself.

there was no meaningful threat to kill

So screaming 'I will kill you! whilst slashing at a man with an eight inch knife is not actually a meaningful threat to kill. Do you know how crazy you sound?

no actual injury caused by the perpetrator at all.

Right. He violently attacks a man resulting in the victim needing hospital treatment, but he caused no actual injury. In the same way as I imagine if someone pushes someone over a cliff they can only be charged with common assault.

I can't work out whether you are just having a bit of fun with this or whether you are posting seriously!

Well done on ignoring all the evidence of people being sentenced to months or years in jail for threats to kill and carrying a weapon only, in favour of comparing it with a case which you yourself state 'is not comparable at all'. Bravo!

 

[MNW67]

Troll off!

 

[MNW67]

Right. He violently attacks a man resulting in the victim needing hospital treatment, but he caused no actual injury. In the same way as I imagine if someone pushes someone over a cliff they can only be charged with common assault.

The only injury was caused by another man who stamped on the victim's hand. And then scarpered and was never found. That is what the victim said in court. He managed to annoy more than one person with his Koran burning.

 

[Si_]

The only injury was caused by another man who stamped on his hand.

I have no need to comment further, because whatever I write cannot put you in a worse light than your own comments.

 

[MNW67]

I have no need to comment further, because whatever I write cannot put you in a worse light than your own comments.

Says the moron who thought he should be found guilty of attempted murder

Or charged with GBH without actually causing any injury.

 

[Si_]

Says the moron who thought he should be found guilty of attempted murder

Or charged with GBH without causing any injury.

I'd much rather advocate for tougher charges for violent knife wielding thugs than call for people who use knives to violently attack others in the street to be spared jail. Because the former would mean I'm someone who values law and order, and the latter would mean I'm filth.

 

[Notch7]

I'd much rather advocate for tougher charges for violent knife wielding thugs than call for people who use knives to violently attack others in the street to be spared jail. Because the former would mean I'm someone who values law and order, and the latter would mean I'm filth.

Which taxes would you increase to pay for all the new prisons needed?

 

[MNW67]

I'd much rather advocate for tougher charges for violent knife wielding thugs than call for people who use knives to violently attack others in the street to be spared jail. Because the former would mean I'm someone who values law and order, and the latter would mean I'm filth.

Whereas I am just happy to interpret and explain the law to those with less understanding. I still don't know why you became so rude and aggressive when I was merely trying to help you get your head round what had actually happened in this case.

 

[Si_]

Which taxes would you increase to pay for all the new prisons needed?

Depends how much money we'd need. How much does it cost to not imprison someone who posts a naughty word on X and instead imprison someone who tries to slice someone to pieces in the street with a knife.

I'm coming up with £0 but maybe you can help out.

 

[Si_]

Whereas I am just happy to interpret and explain the law to those with less understanding. I still don't why you became so rude and aggressive when I was merely trying to help you get your head round what had actually happened in this case.

Anyone with a cursory knowledge of law understands that more serious charges could have been levied.

Not least because the CPS aren't averse to making up charges that do not exist. They did this when prosecuting the victim in this very case.

Coskun was subsequently arrested and charged with harassing the “religious institution of Islam.” However, in UK law, Islam is not a person, and there is therefore not an offence of harassing the “religious institution of Islam”. Only after a social media campaign arguing that this charge is effectively a blasphemy charge did the CPS amend the charge to “using disorderly behaviour within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress.”

The CPS literally charged the victim of a knife attack under a law that does not exist. I'm surprised they didn't order him to pay compensation to the Muslim thug for damaging his knife.