UK Policy of tackling covid through herd immunity

Brigadier said:
Please show me how:

Shutting or restricting pubs, restaurants, cinemas, gyms,
Restricting shopping to essentials,
Shutting down sporting events,
Closing factories
Stopping international travel and holidays
Stopping all the decorators, plumbers, plasterers, sparks, chippies etc from going into people's homes (and earning a living)

will be good for the economy.
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So the strawman returns.

Your argument is based on a false premise in comparing it to the normal state of affairs and that social restriction means being confined to your home - no it does not but that's what your argument is.

But lets get into it. It's revealing how this virus has exposed the tropes that people were repeating to justify Austerity and "The magic money tree"

So now you are arguing that keeping up Agregate Demand is important - so now the Keynsian view of the economy matters, yet when we had Austerity dampening AD was essential. lol The mental gymnastics.

The link between consumpion and income somehow is now important. I wonder why..

So tell me how will it be better for the economy that you let carry on and infections get out of control and the NHS is overwhelmed. One aspect of it being overwhelmed is overworked staff will have breakdowns and sickness so overall capacity is reduced.

If you want to protect the economy then the Government steps in and provides loans to businesses, suspends or reduces business rates - we bailed the banks to the tune of a few hundred billion.

http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia/UK_scientists_statement_on_coronavirus_measures.pdf

I suppose what do these guys know?

As scientists living and working in the UK, we would like to express our concernabout the course of action announced by the Government on 12th March 2020regarding the Coronavirus outbreak. In particular, we are deeply preoccupiedby the timeline of the proposed plan, which aims at delaying social distancingmeasures even further.The current data about the number of infections in the UK is in line with thegrowth curves already observed in other countries, including Italy, Spain, France,and Germany [1]. The same data suggests that the number of infected will be inthe order of dozens of thousands within a few days.Under unconstrained growth, this outbreak will affect millions of people in thenext few weeks. This will most probably put the NHS at serious risk of notbeing able to cope with the flow of patients needing intensive care, as the numberof ICU beds in the UK is not larger than that available in other neighbouringcountries with a similar population [2]. Going for “herd immunity” at this pointdoes not seem a viable option, as this will put NHS at an even stronger level ofstress, risking many more lives than necessary.By putting in place social distancing measures now, the growth can be sloweddown dramatically, and thousands of lives can be spared. We consider the socialdistancing measures taken as of today as insufficient, and we believe that addi-tional and more restrictive measures should be taken immediately, as it is alreadyhappening in other countries across the world.We urge anyone who has sympathy with our views, and access to the govern-ment strategy group, to make our concerns more widely known
 
SirGalahad said:
So tell me how will it be better for the economy that you let carry on and infections get out of control and the NHS is overwhelmed. One aspect of it being overwhelmed is overworked staff will have breakdowns and sickness so overall capacity is reduced
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The government are setting up contingency plans for that scenario.
cobra is involved.
 
SirGalahad said:
I suppose what do these guys know?
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They know a lot but doesn't mean they are right. Same as the so called remoaner experts.
If they are right though it will give you plenty to bang on about in a few weeks time.
 
A rumour of another guy with corona in my area.
He shot my work colleagues dog a while back. Well actually his sons.
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
 
Ryler said:
They know a lot but doesn't mean they are right. Same as the so called remoaner experts.
If they are right though it will give you plenty to bang on about in a few weeks time.
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You seem to have said who the brexit experts you get your information from.

Care to enlighten us?
 
On the radio last night

plans are afoot if required to have troops at hospitals :LOL: probably armed as well ;)

concerns that law and order will break down ;)

shops being looted ect ect ;)

Armageddon will be upon us , best advised every one gets a base ball bat or similar

Northern Ireland are well stocked with em and balaclavas :LOL:
 
whist all this caper is taking up every ones attention the humanatarin crisis on the Syrian / Turkish / Greek border

has been relegated to then back burner

Also a good time for governments to bury / release un-related bad news :)

like Er well Brexit is going t*ts up :LOL:
 
Ryler said:
The government are setting up contingency plans for that scenario.
cobra is involved.
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Pedantry, but COBRA is a meeting room. Id be surprised if it isn't used for run of the mill stuff as well as epic stuff.

It's much less impressive saying that there was a COBRA meeting to discuss the state of the kitchens in the building.
 
jonbey said:
We need to accept that we either need to:
  1. Go into total shutdown, everybody stay at home, except army and volunteers to deliver food
  2. Accept that everybody will get it, and 99% will survive, recover and develop immunity, and about 600,000 people, mostly pensioners, will die
If 2 happens, the housing market will be flooded with cheap properties than need updating / renovating, might help surviving youngsters get on the property market.
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Upto 600k people dieing...how freekin hilarious Jonbey...Lets hope it is none of your Loved ones
 
durhamplumber said:
Upto 600k people dieing...how freekin hilarious Jonbey...Lets hope it is none of your Loved ones
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I find it a bit worrying that you think it's funny. My point is, we need a complete shutdown.That means everybody stays home for 3-6 months.

Rates are increasing here at about 20% a day. In 2 months everybody in the uk will have it (if you don't beleive that i suggest you get your calculator out). Unless we do something as drastic as the Chinese.
 
jonbey said:
I find it a bit worrying that you think it's funny. My point is, we need a complete shutdown.That means everybody stays home for 3-6 months.

Rates are increasing here at about 20% a day. In 2 months everybody in the uk will have it (if you don't beleive that i suggest you get your calculator out). Unless we do something as drastic as the Chinese.
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Stay at home for 6 months :eek:

Every one :confused:

:LOL:

U stay at home I won't be
 
Ok just unpacking that was fun home from southern Europe that was a long journey but fun all the same.

Quel surprise the usual moaning about Boris. How predictable. :D He's dammed if he does or doesn't really. Whilst i agree if you look at the stats on herd immunity we take a hit, but as discussed we do either way by accelerating the infection rate and saturating resources, and or pushing the elderly towards higher risk.

Anyway what about the others on here just poo pooing the whole thing as press hysteria and a storm in a teacup. God i've missed you bellends on here, do you get out much, away from that keyboard....
 
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