UK suffers highest death rate from coronavirus

[foxhole]

Populations are not spread evenly across the country. Most people live in towns and cities.

Do you think London, Paris, Berlin are so "different" that they cannot be compared? Or Birmingham, Milan, Stuttgart?

No, they are not.

Exactly, the comparisons are being made between countries not towns and cities.

 

[foxhole]

Are our towns and cities particularly more densely populated than others?

Some are, some are not , some countries have lots of dense population areas some not, hence no direct comparison can be made.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Are you Ellal?

Take that back!

 

[noseall]

Some are, some are not , some countries have lots of dense population areas some not, hence no direct comparison can be made.

Ours is very similar to that of France in terms of towns and cities.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Being a single parent is nothing to do with stupidity,rubbish,etc..Many many reasons people end up one parent families and a gross insult and generalisation to group them all together and run them down.

Wasn't clear. Referring to single mothers having babies on the state/taxpayer.

 

[JohnD]

Like Prince Andrew did.

 

[SirGalahad]

What recent historic occurrences increased the death rate in some of those other countries, which might suggest a regression to the mean?
e.g. a heatwave in 2019 which was reported to kill 30k extra people in Spain alone
Where do all the old people live in a country?
What is the %age of old people by comparison?
Are our old people particularly healthy by comparison (obesity, diabetes etc)
Do the different Countries have similar reporting processes?

Only once you've baselined for that can you make comparisons.

30k in Spain alone? You sure.

The heatwave was the last week of June 2019 so would have no bearing on the current figures.

As to the population distribution - what bearing does that have on excess deaths for each country?

 

[motorbiking]

The article took a 5 year baseline and we know that deaths in other countries are not reported by month the same way.
Looks like there's been some correction ?
https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

It still looks horrendous alongside the world-beating superlatives employed by BJ, such as his apparent success in beating this virus, smash the virus, first-class system, win this war, more tests than anyone else, British invented testing system, our own produced tracking system, etc, etc.
And of course, we're in this together, except evidently, we're not.
And how close are we to 250,000 tests by the end of May?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

The article took a 5 year baseline and we know that deaths in other countries are not reported by month the same way.

Do we? How do we know this?

 

[JP_]

the reason is probably because the government decided herd immunity was the solution - just let everybody get it and boom, we're cured.

Problem is, it is not gone, it is just as contagious as it was 6 months ago. So, we have 2 options - either stay in perpetual lockdown, or start mingling again. If we start mingling now, we can infect more people while the hospitals are mostly coping. If we wait until September, send every kid back to school and open all the shops, cafes, pubs, gyms etc. then we risk another peak in winter, which will be bloody awful.

 

[EddieM]

the reason is probably because the government decided herd immunity was the solution - just let everybody get it and boom, we're cured.

Problem is, it is not gone, it is just as contagious as it was 6 months ago. So, we have 2 options - either stay in perpetual lockdown, or start mingling again. If we start mingling now, we can infect more people while the hospitals are mostly coping. If we wait until September, send every kid back to school and open all the shops, cafes, pubs, gyms etc. then we risk another peak in winter, which will be bloody awful.

I'm not in anyway condoning the governments behaviour, but we (they) have no choice but to start opening up soon, we aren't able to afford a very prolonged lockdown. Sure they'll be "collateral damage" (read: someone's mother,father,brother,sister,son,daughter) Hobson's choice and boy what a choice.

 

[motorbiking]

One size doesn't fit all.

Pensioners are 34 X more likely to die from COVID, so plenty of people can go to work, travel etc. without overwhelming the NHS. Perhaps we should test easing out of lockdown, by increasing the exposure of those least at risk, for maximum benefit. If only our govt. had thought of that.

 

[Notch7]

The article took a 5 year baseline and we know that deaths in other countries are not reported by month the same way.
Looks like there's been some correction ?
https://www.ft.com/content/6b4c784e-c259-4ca4-9a82-648ffde71bf0

how wonderful, it moves the UK from worst place to 2nd worst place.

but hey Tory supports must keep repeating "we cant make comparisons"

 

[Notch7]

Only once you've baselined for that can you make comparisons

excuses

excess death rate is excess death rate however you try and be a Tory apologist.