ULEZ

[carmanmemoranda]

ULEZ expansion was essential they said, people are getting ill and dying, and it's all caused by older cars.

Then, after ULEZ kicks in, stories like this start to come out.

Gas hob can raise indoor air pollution higher than busy UK road, study finds

Research by Which? compared levels nitrogen dioxide and fine particulate matter in homes and street in London

www.theguardian.com

Brake pad dust can be more toxic than exhaust emissions, study says

Research shows move to electric vehicles may not be enough to enable pollution from cars to be eradicated

www.theguardian.com

ULEZ was just a moneymaking scheme, by a scheming untrustworthy mayor.

Boris you mean ?

 

[Avocet]

No, that's not my intention.

No, I'll bet it wasn't!

My point is that the argument for ULEZ expansion was weighted against older vehicles and completely ignored these others factors, which people are still exposed to.

Except it didn't. It looked at air quality across a variety of locations. It analysed the pollutants. It tracked the sources. It went for the lowest hanging fruit first. Now we're in the happy position where we can start looking at other sources of poor air quality - which itself, is pretty good evidence that the system is working! (Or are you one of those who thinks gas hobs and brake dust were the problem all along and that road vehicles were never really a problem)? If so, why has it improved after targeting road vehicles?

You walk around London or any other city and see the amount of people that are vaping, smoking, quite often you'll catch the smell of weed. Most people don't care about this stuff, they put all sorts of ****e into their bodies, they don't bother using their kitchen extractors, or care that their fried chicken is pumped full of chemicals.

People can exercise choice over what they decide to eat (or smoke). They can't do that when it come to the air they breathe...

Mayor Khan deflected and denied when asked about ULEZ expansion, until the point when he dropped the bombshell and gave less than a years notice. He snuck it in, which just makes him come across as a very slick con artist.

"Less than a year's notice"?! I'm curious... How long do you think the average person needs to make up their mind on how to vote?!

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Amazing (not) how ulez is a political issue and not a health issue

We never should have removed steam trains, horse and carts etc

 

[johnny2007]

You weren't ""forced" to do anything.

You could have chosen to keep your car and pay the ULEZ charge. You chose not to.

Are you really stupid or just pretend to be?
If one day I say to you: "You can have electricity and gas, but you must pay me £20/day + your regular bill", am I not forcing you to give up these essentials?
The threat of paying £12.50/day to fuel a lavish lifestyle is wrong, whichever way you look at it.

You can say that, but whether anyone would believe you, is a different matter. The private healthcare sector poaches staff from the NHS, leaving the NHS to run on ruinously expensive locum services. Even if you never had anything on the NHS (which frankly, I very much doubt), you are a drain on its resources, just in a different way. You will, of course, be quick to point out that if the NHS was as "efficient" as the private healthcare industry, it would be able to afford to pay its staff more and retain them. Unfortunately, the private healthcare industry is pretty good at cherry-picking the lucrative cases and leaving the NHS with the old crocs (and its own cockups) to sort out. Those long-term degenerative diseases are ruinously expensive to treat. Ironically, the NHS spends about £6 billion a year treating people for the effects of the fumes that the car you so desperately wanted you to keep, belch out. And Heaven forbid that you are ever involved in a serious accident and blue-lighted to A&E, but I hope you have one of those bracelet that say "please don't take me to an NHS hospital, I don't want to be a "parasite", I'd rather die on the way to a private A&E department".

So, because I have health insurance I am a burden to NHS.
Makes a lot of sense...if you're a leftist.

I thought we were talking about the ULEZ, but by all means, feel free to turn this into a demented racist rant about "immigrants" if you prefer? Perhaps you feel they should be allowed to work, so they can start paying taxes just like you, and not be a drain on the state?

I am an immigrant, so your racist card cannot work with me.
Try another leftist trick...maybe fascism or Nazism or anything else out of the leftist book of nonsense.

Like I said. You lost. get over it. Oddly though, most of the opposition to ID cards seems to come from the Far Right? Where do you stand on it? Would you like to see the government's mandatory ID card scheme come in?

ID cards have nothing to do with this.
Having to go to the polls in person with an ID is something the left dreads very much.
Why?

 

[Avocet]

Are you really stupid or just pretend to be?
If one day I say to you: "You can have electricity and gas, but you must pay me £20/day + your regular bill", am I not forcing you to give up these essentials?
The threat of paying £12.50/day to fuel a lavish lifestyle is wrong, whichever way you look at it.

Well, I'm not so stupid as to be unable to spot that you've chosen a poor example! To make your example more like the situation we're talking about, it would have to be something like:

"You can have coal and town gas, but you must pay me £20/day + your regular bill". Alternatively, you can have electricity and natural gas, then I won't charge you anything at all".

I could then bleat on to everyone about how I was "forced" to give up coal, but they'd all know that actually I wasn't. I was just too stingy to pay the £20 and too sulky and "entitled" to make the change...

So, because I have health insurance I am a burden to NHS.
Makes a lot of sense...if you're a leftist.

It should make sense to anyone with an average intellect, to be honest, but if you think any of what I said was wrong, point it out and explain why...

I am an immigrant, so your racist card cannot work with me.

Oh great... an immigrant-hating immigrant... I bet you can shout at hotels without feeling in the slightest bit self-conscious too...

Try another leftist trick...maybe fascism or Nazism or anything else out of the leftist book of nonsense.

ID cards have nothing to do with this.
Having to go to the polls in person with an ID is something the left dreads very much.
Why?

You evaded the question... Would you like to see the government's mandatory ID card scheme come in?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Well, I'm not so stupid as to be unable to spot that you've chosen a poor example! To make your example more like the situation we're talking about, it would have to be something like:

"You can have coal and town gas, but you must pay me £20/day + your regular bill". Alternatively, you can have electricity and natural gas, then I won't charge you anything at all".

I could then bleat on to everyone about how I was "forced" to give up coal, but they'd all know that actually I wasn't. I was just too stingy to pay the £20 and too sulky and "entitled" to make the change...



It should make sense to anyone with an average intellect, to be honest, but if you think any of what I said was wrong, point it out and explain why...



Oh great... an immigrant-hating immigrant... I bet you can shout at hotels without feeling in the slightest bit self-conscious too...



You evaded the question... Would you like to see the government's mandatory ID card scheme come in?

But but but you're a lefty

 

[Mottie]

"Less than a year's notice"?! I'm curious... How long do you think the average person needs to make up their mind on how to vote?!

Vote? We had a vote on the ULEZ expansion? I must have missed that. I’m pretty sure if we had a vote on it, it wouldn’t have covered Havering.

ULEZ extension: Council responds to consultation – London Borough of Havering

Havering Council responds to ULEZ consultation

www.havering.gov.uk

 

[Avocet]

Vote? We had a vote on the ULEZ expansion? I must have missed that. I’m pretty sure if we had a vote on it, it wouldn’t have covered Havering.

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ULEZ extension: Council responds to consultation – London Borough of Havering

Havering Council responds to ULEZ consultation

www.havering.gov.uk

2023... That was before Khan got re-elected, for the second time, wasn't it...?

 

[Mottie]

2023... That was before Khan got re-elected, for the second time, wasn't it...?

Yeah and if you remember, the election was in May 2024, some 8 months AFTER he expanded the ULEZ and he WOULD NOT let anyone know before the election if the ULEZ expansion had reduced pollution. Because it hadn’t.

 

[johnny2007]

Well, I'm not so stupid as to be unable to spot that you've chosen a poor example! To make your example more like the situation we're talking about, it would have to be something like:

"You can have coal and town gas, but you must pay me £20/day + your regular bill". Alternatively, you can have electricity and natural gas, then I won't charge you anything at all".

I could then bleat on to everyone about how I was "forced" to give up coal, but they'd all know that actually I wasn't. I was just too stingy to pay the £20 and too sulky and "entitled" to make the change...

Confirmed: you're totally stupid.

It should make sense to anyone with an average intellect, to be honest, but if you think any of what I said was wrong, point it out and explain why...

More stupid!

Oh great... an immigrant-hating immigrant... I bet you can shout at hotels without feeling in the slightest bit self-conscious too...

Off scale stupid!

You evaded the question... Would you like to see the government's mandatory ID card scheme come in?

You're too stupid to deserve an answer, but for the benefit of others, I couldn't care less if they introduced a compulsory id to be carried at all times, in fact, I'm all for it.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Good reasoning by johnny

 

[Avocet]

Good reasoning by johnny

One might be forgiven for thinking he'd run out of arguments...

 

[Avocet]

Yeah and if you remember, the election was in May 2024, some 8 months AFTER he expanded the ULEZ and he WOULD NOT let anyone know before the election if the ULEZ expansion had reduced pollution. Because it hadn’t.

Sounds terrible! You'd have thought the electorate would have hung him out to dry for that one!

 

[johnny2007]

One might be forgiven for thinking he'd run out of arguments...

Sure, sure my boy.
You're right.

 

[Deluks]

Boris you mean ?

No, Khan. I'm referring to the expansion, which Boris was against.