uPVC Door Lock options

[Fazq01]

Hi, having recently moved home, we find we have a upvc door that requires the handle to be lifted and then the key turned to lock the door, from BOTH sides.

Now I have a few issues with this type of lock and would like to replace it with something more practical and similar to the YALE / Mortice / Deadbolt solution in my previous home's wooden door.

I would like a door that would latch shut (with over-ride) so it can't be opened from outside without a key, further to fully secure the door (multipoint locking), one would need a key from the outside, but only a lever or handle from the inside. Is such a lock available? where would I find it? and would it be easy to fit.

My reasons for this are as follows.

If the door is locked from the inside and the key not removed, then the next person wanting entry cannot use their key.

If the key is removed and accidently misplaced, then the door cannot be opened until the key is found. Generally this is nothing more than an inconvenience, but if there was a fire, having a route of escape rendered unusable by the loss of a key could prove fatal!

Any ideas?

Farrukh

 

[davidatwork]

Fit a lock barrel with a thumb turn on the inside instead of a keyslot, one screw and you have it.

 

[Fazq01]

Fit a lock barrel with a thumb turn on the inside instead of a keyslot, one screw and you have it.

So all I have to replace is the existing barrel?

Next question. Where would be a good place to buy a good one from? I live near Blackburn, never seen anything like it in my local B&Q and unfortunately there are not a lot of decent specialist merchants in this area.

 

[HERTS P&D]

Screwfix sell them, if not near you then you can order over the internet.

Andy

 

[HandyHands]

Replacing the barrel will only remove the need to use a key from the inside of the property. You will still need to lift the handle from both sides to lock the door. Using a thumbturn will also make the door less secure, particularly if there is a letterbox in the door.

 

[Fazq01]

Replacing the barrel will only remove the need to use a key from the inside of the property. You will still need to lift the handle from both sides to lock the door. Using a thumbturn will also make the door less secure, particularly if there is a letterbox in the door.

So any sugestions?

 

[ColJack]

fit a rim mounted regular lock above the existing handle?

they simply don't make what you want.. although our old door was close..
you dedlocked the door ( not multipoint though ) with the key, but you could also move the latch with the key by turning past the "open" position when opening.. you'd just have to find some way of dissabling the outside handle in that scenario..

 

[Steve]

I have seen uPVC doors with a keyhole and pull on the outside - no handle. And on the inside was a handle. No keyhole. Basically, pulling it shut meant it was shut, but not locket. You had to turn the key outside, this engaged the multipoint lock.

Inside, pushing it shut, it was shut, then pulling the handle up engaged the multipoint lock.

This is all from memory, it was a while ago.

 

[crank39]

I have seen uPVC doors with a keyhole and pull on the outside - no handle. And on the inside was a handle. No keyhole. Basically, pulling it shut meant it was shut, but not locket. You had to turn the key outside, this engaged the multipoint lock.

Inside, pushing it shut, it was shut, then pulling the handle up engaged the multipoint lock.

This is all from memory, it was a while ago.

Correct, its called a lever/pad arrangement with a split spindle, this means the square spindle is in two halves so by pushing down on it from outside wont have an effect on the latch thus turning into a yale lock but works normally from inside, from memory i think you need a lock mech to compliment the lever/pad handles which allows you to engage the various hooks and rollers by way of turning the key towards the frame as the handle is fixed and doesnt move up like normal.

Is this what your looking for?

 

[Fazq01]

I have seen uPVC doors with a keyhole and pull on the outside - no handle. And on the inside was a handle. No keyhole. Basically, pulling it shut meant it was shut, but not locket. You had to turn the key outside, this engaged the multipoint lock.

Inside, pushing it shut, it was shut, then pulling the handle up engaged the multipoint lock.

This is all from memory, it was a while ago.

Correct, its called a lever/pad arrangement with a split spindle, this means the square spindle is in two halves so by pushing down on it from outside wont have an effect on the latch thus turning into a yale lock but works normally from inside, from memory i think you need a lock mech to compliment the lever/pad handles which allows you to engage the various hooks and rollers by way of turning the key towards the frame as the handle is fixed and doesnt move up like normal.

Is this what your looking for?

This is exactly what I am after! Has anyone seen these on sale?

 

[crank39]

Yes they are readily available, just google split spindle locking mechanisms. Heres one i made earlier....

http://www.total-locks.com/upvc-loc...int-lock-4-hook-split-spindle-latch-dead.html

Theres more to it though than just ordering a mech, first you'll need the backset of the lock, this is the measurement from the faceplate back to the centre of the square spindle hole, most locks now are 35mm backset, next is the PZ measurement, this is the distance between the spindle hole and the centre of the circular portion of the barrel hole, most modern doors are 92PZ (mm)

Then you need to order matching keeps for the frame OR by a locking mech that uses a one piece matching locking strip for the frame, these are by far the easiest to fit for a novice.

Again, good luck

 

[hwilliams]

Split spindle bar locking
These are available for either 60mm thick doors, 70mm thick doors and Fullex locks
How Does It Work?
How can you make your door open so you need a key to enter from the outside every time you need to come in? - Follow these steps to find out what is right for your door.

Remove your door handle by removing the handle screws from the inside of the door and have a look at the mechanism where the spindle passes through.
Normal or Offset mechanism?: Look below the spindle hole to see if there is another spindle hole, this may be a bit difficult to establish if the manufacturer hasn't routed a hole in the profile but most do. If you have the second spindle hole then you will need to buy an offset Lever/Pad handle. You will need to buy one with the same sizing (PZ) as your existing inside handle, but with the other PZ for the outside handle, which do vary.

How to know if your lock is a split spindle type:
If you don't have the second spindle hole then look into the centre of the existing spindle hole, you need to identify if the normal lock gearbox mechanism is a split spindle type or not.
Take a good look into the centre of the existing spindle hole. You are looking for a split in the centre (the spindle square hole will look like it is in 2 parts). This split allows the inside and outside part of the spindle to move independently. If this is the case you will need a split spindle bar.
If there is no split in the spindle hole, then you will need to replace the lock gearbox mechanism, with one which has split spindle design. Get one which is reversible( or is handed) for your door, has the right BS backset (horiz.distance from door edge lockstrip to keyhole centre) and the right PZ(vert. distance from square spindle hole centre to keyhole centre).
Then you need to obtain a 60mm or 70mm split spindle bar depending on your door thickness. You don't need to change your actual door handles.
The 60mm spindle bar(for doors that are 60mm thick) is 8mm square and 108mm long with 54mm each side of the split.
Insert the two equal length halves of the bar from both sides of the lock.
The 70mm spindle bar(for doors that are 70mm thick), is 8mm square and 118mm long with 54mm on the sprung side and 64mm on the unsprung side. The 64mm side needs to go on the thicker side of the door.

When fitting the spindle you may find that it works in the reverse of the operation required, if this is the case you will need to make an adjustment on the mechanism to reverse the operation.
These adjustments will vary depending on the multipoint lock mechanism manufacturer. Most locks are reversible, the adjustments are made on the centre case of the mechanism. If you need to know how to make these adjustments refer to the instructions for that specific lock type.

Fullex:
If you have a three way split in the mechanism then you will need the Fullex spindle, this is easily identified as the only handles that fit their locks all have a 68pz, this is the distance from the centre of the keyway hole to the centre of the spindle hole. The Fullex spindle is designed to fit doors that are 70mm thick, it is 8mm square and 140mm long with 65mm one side and 75mm on the other side of the split.
The springs are to be inserted into the handle to centralize the spindle to the mechanism. The ends of the spindles that meet in the mechanism are different sizes and the smaller sized one needs to be fitted to the outside of the door.