Using Wagobox to relocate double socket

[KootchieKobi]

New to the forum so apologies if this seems like such a newb question,
I need to move a double socket from one side of a bedroom to the opposite wall, floorboards are accessible in said room due to the missus wanting new carpet so getting to the wires is not a problem, currently there's 3 wires in the socket, it looks like it's on the upstairs ring with a spur going to the other bedroom for a socket that was added by the previous owners, so, am i right in saying I need to add an extra three 4 metre lengths of 2.5mm 3 core to the other side under the floorboards to the new double socket thus keeping it as is with the same amount of cables on it & not adding to the ring.

I have the Wagobox and the 222 lever connectors which are rated at 32A so are these the right choice or should I have got the push connectors which are higher rated? I have my sheathing for the ground wires also so am good to go as soon as I know I'm on the right track.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Is the spur socket in the other bedroom directly on the other side of the wall from the socket with three cables?

 

[KootchieKobi]

Sadly no it's way over the other side of the other bedroom, there was an alcove added at some point & a double socket put in, at a guess probably another 4 metres away

 

[Adam_151]

Why move it, why not simply add another in the right place?

You might get away without any joints if you are lucky, if you arn't you will still end up with less than 3 joints!

 

[KootchieKobi]

A fair point I could do but I wanted to remove the original socket anyway, it's right next to the radiator which I thought was a really daft place for it in the first place! I thought adding the JB (albeit 3 of them!) thinking it would be an easy option, I mean I could go the whole hog and replace the cable right back to the FCB but was looking for less work than that!

Just never used these Wagobox before, seems to be a divided opinion on them from what I can see, some swear by them & some just plain hate them!

 

[JohnW2]

A fair point I could do but I wanted to remove the original socket anyway, it's right next to the radiator which I thought was a really daft place for it in the first place! I thought adding the JB (albeit 3 of them!) thinking it would be an easy option, I mean I could go the whole hog and replace the cable right back to the FCB but was looking for less work than that! Just never used these Wagobox before, seems to be a divided opinion on them from what I can see, some swear by them & some just plain hate them!

If you removed the socket, you wouldn't necessarily need to use Wagobox(es) - the required joins could be made using Wago connectors or just connector strip in the backbox of the present socket, with a blank plate on the front of that box.

Provided you could identify and confirm that two of the cables to the socket are the ring and that the third is a spur from the ring, then you would only have to extend the former two to the location of the new socket. The spur could come from the Wagos or connector blocks) in the box, without any need for extension.

Kind Regards, John

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

I would put new lengths of cable and forget about any joints, I would even bring the spur into the ring rather than just a spur, especially if you are to extend the spur length in excess of 3 metres.

If joints are the only practical solution and these joints are to be left, unaccessible within the void of the floor. Then MF connectors are required, I am unaware that wagos are compliant to the MF standards.

 

[JohnW2]

I would put new lengths of cable and forget about any joints, I would even bring the spur into the ring rather than just a spur, especially if you are to extend the spur length in excess of 3 metres.

As I recently wrote, even if the OP does employ joints, the spur would not have to be extended - it could originate from one of the joints in the ring (which, as I also said, could potentially be in the existing backbox, with a blanking plate).

However, no-one can deny that the ideal solution is to replace cables (thereby eliminating joins), and eliminate spurs - so one has to decide how much effort is justified in attaining that ideal.

Kind Regards, John

 

[KootchieKobi]

Many thanks for the comments people, I wasn't even thinking about the other ideas here so now thinking of making that spur part of the ring, means having to lift fb's in the other room but would seem to be the best option, food for thought gentleman many thanks

 

[JohnW2]

Many thanks for the comments people, I wasn't even thinking about the other ideas here so now thinking of making that spur part of the ring, means having to lift fb's in the other room but would seem to be the best option, food for thought gentleman many thanks

I suppose it depends upon your viewpoint. It's clearly theoretically 'best' to have no spurs or joins. However, I'm sure that there are millions of houses out there which have sockets on spurs and/or joins in cables, so maybe that needs to go into the melting pot of your thinking.

Kind Regards, John