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Hello gentlemen.

So i have a walk-in shower and no bath. decided to improvise and build sort of japanese bath like thing to act as a bathtub/deep shower tray.

I'm new to carpentry but i'll learn.

Questions:
1. What (widely available) timber i should use ? Pine is probably not the best choice.
2. How to waterproof joints ? I'm thinking vertical staves at this point, would look nicer than horizontal, but for ease of building i may just make it horizontal.
3. Lacquer and/or sanding ? Dont want my butt full of splinters.

The area is to build in is about 1.4m by 1.4m. Depth 600-700mm.

Have some hand tools, so prehistoric methods only :D

Any advice is welcome.
 
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Accoya might be (dunno) cheaper than teak, but perfectly suited for this use.

I must admit I had to google that one ,It seems the french are doing that process with Beech a timber with good hygroscopic qualities the very thing that makes it perishable will also make it easy to preserve well.Interesting thread
 
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Hello gentlemen.

So i have a walk-in shower and no bath. decided to improvise and build sort of japanese bath like thing to act as a bathtub/deep shower tray.

I'm new to carpentry but i'll learn.

Questions:
1. What (widely available) timber i should use ? Pine is probably not the best choice.
2. How to waterproof joints ? I'm thinking vertical staves at this point, would look nicer than horizontal, but for ease of building i may just make it horizontal.
3. Lacquer and/or sanding ? Dont want my butt full of splinters.

The area is to build in is about 1.4m by 1.4m. Depth 600-700mm.

Have some hand tools, so prehistoric methods only :D

Any advice is welcome.

I would use thermally treated birch. It has good properties, is inexpensive, ecologically sustainable and has a nice colour.

https://www.google.fi/search?q=lämp...yJ-3U4QTL04DQDg&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=1605&bih=927

http://www.thermowood.fi/

As for building and gluing, I would look at the methods used in boatbuilding. Strip planking would probably work just fine and I would use epoxy or polyester two part resin to glue up the structure. You could use the same resin to coat and waterproof the inside of the tub. I would probably not seal the outside with epoxy as then any moisture trapped in the wood would have no way out. You can do it, but the structure has to be hermetically sealed in order to prevent any moisture penetrating the wood.

I have used a quite a few different epoxies and my experience is that the cheapest ones you get from manufacturers of industrial flooring. I have good experience with West System products, which are widely available and they have a range hardeners with different properties.

While epoxy makes a very durable and watertight coating, it has no UV protection. I would recommend spraying a few coats of good quality two part varnish over the epoxy for UV protection.

If you glue with epoxy you want to use some kind of a filler to make thicker gluing paste (microfiber, wood fiber, etc.). The easiest way to mix epoxy is using an ordinary letter scale. Mixing by weight is much easier that by volume.

If you decide to seal the inside with epoxy, make sure that you break the surface to be sealed with 40-60 grit paper along the grain. This makes the surface of the wood much larger and the epoxy-wood bond becomes stronger. Thin the first coats with Xylene so that the first coats penetrate the wood properly. Judge the amount by trial and error - could be 50/50, depends on a lot of parameters. Xylene is very volatile.

Remember to use a mask with protection for organic hydrocarbon vapours and acid proof rubber gloves. This stuff is really mean.

You will find a lot of information about strip planking and epoxy in boatbuilding from the internet.

Good luck!

/j
 
Hello and welcome usrnm, It sounds like your a boat builder any interesting projects going on in you area.
 
Hello and welcome usrnm, It sounds like your a boat builder any interesting projects going on in you area.

I am not a professional boatbuilder. I have a wooden boat that I have restored together with a professional, hence the experience. Though I have been using epoxy in a lot of other woodworking and non woodworking projects.

Outside of the obvious, that is gluing, I have, for example, replaced silicone caulking in bathrooms with industrial elastic epoxy. The elastic epoxy won't stain or collect mold ever, whereas silicone is pretty prone for that. The only downside is that it is a real pita to apply and you have to get it from a specialist vendor and have a custom color made for you. I have also used epoxy with very fine grain silicate filler instead of a traditional grout in fine (1 mm) grout lines. It hones nicely down to a completely smooth and lippage free surface when setting floors with natural stone. Laticrete has a wide range of epoxy grouts and I have used Laticrete products as well, though they are quite expensive compared to industrial vendors.

There are a few things in addition to epoxy being toxic that you should be aware of. The chemical reaction that cures epoxy is heat generating. Even a fairly small batch can cure out of control if left into a narrow and tall pot. The thicker or larger the epoxy mass is, the more heat is generated. Just 100g of mixed epoxy can reach 200C or 400F when curing out of control. With some fillers, the heat can lead to spontaneous combustion. Uncontrolled curing generates, in addition to dangerous heat, a lot of toxic vapors.

It is always better to mix a too small a batch instead of a larger one. It is always better to have a shallow and wide container for the mixed epoxy. Also, when filling cavities with epoxy, it is better to do it in multiple thinner layers rather than in one thick patch of epoxy.

There are water soluble epoxies as well, though I would avoid these. The size of the water soluble epoxy molecules is such that they penetrate skin if (and when) they get in contact with your skin. The traditional epoxies have different molecular size and do not penetrate the skin the same way - so I have been told by an industrial vendor.

As epoxy cures chemically, you do not have to wait for a full cure between the coats. Not waiting for a full cure gives a better bond between the layers. If you let the epoxy cure fully, you should sand before applying a new layer for better bonding.

Epoxy is a lot of fun to work with, but I advise reading the safety instructions from the vendor before digging in. All stains should be removed before the epoxy cures. Xylene, acetone or even white spirits work. Xylene is my favourite, but more toxic and flammamble. Always wear protection when handling Xylene and remember that it melts most plastics if it is in contact with them for too long.
 

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