Whistling 206

[gman76]

I wonder if anyone can shine any light on a strange issue with an 04 1.4 16v Quicksilver.

I've just bought the car & it emits a whistling noise only in 5th somewhere between 70 & 90 mph, the noise only appears when actually using the throttle, while coasting at a slowly decreasing speed it's not apparent, but when the throttle is opened, the whistle becomes louder the heavier the right foot.

Over 90 it disappears completely.

I've connected a friends diagnostic tool connected to a PC & it reports P1216, which is pedal position C input high.

Could there be a relation & should I be worried about it?

Car is under warranty (limited of course).

 

[Steve]

Could there be a relation & should I be worried about it?

No, since it only happens when you drive above the national speed limit, you deserve all you get.

Car is under warranty

Really? I'm sure the dealer would love to know you've been driving at excessive speed.


<lights blue touchpaper>

 

[gman76]

I was on a rolling road - or maybe it was an Autobahn?

Have you ever heard of a vehicle warranty that becomes void if you exceed the national speed limit of the country it was issued in? (That is a serious question BTW).

 

[^neo^]

Does it rev ok?
sometimes a blocked exhaust or cat will build up back pressure and let it out of any holes making a whistling sound

 

[gman76]

Yes, it runs and drives perfectly.

 

[heliosuk]

I think I know what this is.

I reckon it's the same box as my Saxo VTR which had the same problem, finally diagnosed at 98,000 miles as the diff pinion bearing which is apparently common.

I think they share the same box. I complained about it from the first service but nobody at ****reon could identify it .

Just had box changed for a recon at 150K miles and all is well.

I started to notice it more at around 48K and speeds of 30 MPH upwards. Also only apparent after a few miles i.e. when it warms up.

There is no cure and don't accept sticking additives in it as you can't get over the fact the bearing is shot.

It's a well known problem amongst Pug and Citroen owners of this model apparently.

Don't take any notice of the merchant bankers who say you drive over the speed limit, this has nothing to do with the fault and perhaps just shows how endemic merchant bankers are!!

 

[gman76]

Heliosuk - how strange, as I was driving home from work today, I was thinking it may be the gearbox!

Although the car has only done 25K.

Quote from warranty:

FINAL DRIVE DIFFERENTIAL ASSEMBLY

PartsCovered

Crown wheel/pinion gears, planet gears, bearings/bushes, halfshafts, drive shafts, constant velocity joints, swivel hubs (excluding ball joints) drive flanges.

Does this look hopeful?

 

[heliosuk]

On the face of it, it should be covered however the problem is going to be actually isolating it to prove it out.

The dealers could hear something but not pin point anything. The noise is like a whistle which only becomes apparent over thirty and when the box/engine is at normal operating temps. It will not change when disengaging the box ( depressing the clutch so eliminating possible engine ) but you can hear a variation in the pitch of the whistle if turning the car say like around a tight bend.

It's something a lot of the main dealers don't know about as only makes itself really apparent at higher mileages thus being out of manufacturers warranty. So they don't see it very often, if at all. However those garages that specialise in PSA vehicles do know about it. The ex ****roen chaps who look after my car have seen catostrophic failures where the pinion comes out of the housing when the bearing finally gives way. But by then, it's seriously noisy.

The problem occurs because of the angle of the pinion to the crown wheel so doesn't get the lubrication it actually needs or cheapo bearings.

Only cure is a rebuilt box. Do not accept a used one as this will just do the same at some point and do not accept anything such as Slick 50 gearbox treatment etc. This will quiet it down for about 3000 miles but doesn't cure the problem.

Whereabouts are you?

 

[heliosuk]

Forgot to add, as you describe, early on you can only hear it under load but believe me, this will change to the extent you hear it all the time above 25mph and it will drive you nuts!!!!!!!!

Done a lot of research into this and if you get the right people they'll suss it out. Just make sure you get it done soon before your warranty runs out as it's around £500 plus vat and fitting to get it done properly

 

[gman76]

Ah, mine does stop when you depress the clutch & coast, so maybe not the same problem.

Thanks for your help though.

I'm near Salisbury BTW.

 

[heliosuk]

Yes, but to a certain extent you are then releasing the load. As it gets more worn you will probaly hear it when depressing the clutch. The only other noise I've had possibly related was the waterpump. Mileage is too low to rule out the box. If you were further up north I'd listen to it. Obviously if you want to do the drive then you'd be welcome. I'm hoping I'll be in Surrey over the next couple of weeks so if so will drop you a note as you're only a bit down the A303. Can't guarantee it though.

 

[gman76]

I hope it's not the water pump - the previous receipts contain one for a "collapsed" water pump causing damage to timing belt - all fixed under a previous main dealer warranty!

I think I'll take it somewhere for diagnosis - I don't expect you to go out of your way, but thank you for the offer.

I'll post back if I get anywhere with it.

Thanks again for your help.

 

[Belle427]

They are known for eating gearboxes, last one i saw was only on 47000 miles. Maybe worth draining the gearbox oil and checking for metal filings on the drain plug.
Are you sure you have not just got an air leak on one of the engine hoses?

 

[Mickymoody]

I wonder if anyone can shine any light on a strange issue with an 04 1.4 16v Quicksilver.

I've just bought the car & it emits a whistling noise only in 5th somewhere between 70 & 90 mph, the noise only appears when actually using the throttle, while coasting at a slowly decreasing speed it's not apparent, but when the throttle is opened, the whistle becomes louder the heavier the right foot.

Over 90 it disappears completely.

I've connected a friends diagnostic tool connected to a PC & it reports P1216, which is pedal position C input high.

Could there be a relation & should I be worried about it?

Car is under warranty (limited of course).

The whistle indicates that the car was not designed for that speed, and is a warning to slow down. It's your wipers that make a whistle sound. Try turning then on at that speed, they don't touch the windscreen, but hover above them. You use the excuse that you have driven on the Autobahn, which I don't believe for one second, which I have..at 140+, so you lie, and break speeding laws in the UK.

So you ought to be banned from UK roads.

 

[gman76]

I wonder if anyone can shine any light on a strange issue with an 04 1.4 16v Quicksilver.

I've just bought the car & it emits a whistling noise only in 5th somewhere between 70 & 90 mph, the noise only appears when actually using the throttle, while coasting at a slowly decreasing speed it's not apparent, but when the throttle is opened, the whistle becomes louder the heavier the right foot.

Over 90 it disappears completely.

I've connected a friends diagnostic tool connected to a PC & it reports P1216, which is pedal position C input high.

Could there be a relation & should I be worried about it?

Car is under warranty (limited of course).

The whistle indicates that the car was not designed for that speed, and is a warning to slow down. It's your wipers that make a whistle sound. Try turning then on at that speed, they don't touch the windscreen, but hover above them. You use the excuse that you have driven on the Autobahn, which I don't believe for one second, which I have..at 140+, so you lie, and break speeding laws in the UK.

So you ought to be banned from UK roads.

What on earth are you talking about?

I did not claim to have driven on an Autobahn at all, it was merely a suggestion. Therefore your lying accusation is unfounded.

Wipers?! Mmm....

Based on the majority of your previous posts, I would suggest you actually read what others have written & only contribute if you have something valid & worthy to say, rather than jumping in with both feet with your know it all attitude.

That way you would not reveal to the world how little you know about everything & look like a fool.

Good day.