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I want to maintain a safety net for low income households, irrespective of how come they're low income. You?
Who’s going to tell them that the answer is immigration?
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It affects more people seeing some lazy get who has never paid into the system reap more benefits than someone who has. The top earners who are scamming millions in tax revenue does not bother me as much as someone who is reaping the rewards of doing nowt.
Who says those that have paid in aren’t in a low income household?
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Since the safety net for low income families has been in vogue, how many years was there a right-wing government compared to a left-wing government.
As odds has said, they are using tax avoidance schemes. Perfectly legal, so who wouldn’t? Labour doesn’t seem to have closed those loopholes, have they?
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Not me, they might also be, and therefore eligible to the same benefits as those other low income families.
What’s that got to do with anything. We are talking about the here and now. What have labour done other than tax the poor to pay the lazy? I’m getting the impression that you’re one of 'em.
No, they are not. Pension credit is a gateway benefit.
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Not to mention the top up where we were advised to pay additional money to make up any shortfall in your NI contributions to enable you to get the full benefit. Those who have never paid in didn't need to put anything in to achieve the same benefit.
Those 'plans' are 2 years old. Which ones have they implemented?
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Most of those "extra" benefits mentioned by Ivor and spineless are also available for others on low income:
Rent paid? No, but possible assistance with rent.
Bills paid? No.
Free Bus Pass, Pension Credit is not listed in the eligibility criteria. So to stop this, you'll have to stop it for all pensioners.
Free baked beans? No.
Want to try again after doing a bit of research?
Or are you intent on gobbing off about something of which you obviously have no understanding?
That was how it was designed and it's still doing exactly that. So there has been no perversion (sic)
(I suggest you check the definition of "perverted")
That is why the government are tweaking it.
So you're bringing to the public's attention what you think is a problem? OK, you've done that.
But you've misunderstood the Overton window. It does not refer to "problems", it refers to "solutions".
If the solution is outside the Overton window, it will not receive public support.
e.g. The problem (whether it's true or not is debatable) is too many prisoners for the prison capacity. The proposed solution is to begin a mass execution of prisoners.
Ah! That's outside the Overton window. D'you see now?
It isn't the problem that's outside the window, it's the proposed solution.
Mottie was wrong. His information was out-of-date.
Pension Credit is funded entirely by taxes, and not by NI.
Of course, if they qualify for a pension, they're not entitled to Pension Credit.
You're wrong and also out-of-date, based on Mottie's incorrect information.
No. They may be entitled to assistance.
No They may be entitled to a reduction.
Wowee! But all pensioners over 75 also get this.
So can a range of others, e.g children, UC benefits, referral to specialists, etc. Do you really want to deny this assistance only to pensioners?
The additional administration would probably cost more than any savings.
All pensioners get that, and it was discussed in detail previously. It was decided that if it was restricted to only those on low income, the admin cost would be greater than any savings. Why do you think the reverse will be any different?
Everyone on low income is entitled. Do you want to deny this benefit to all on low income?
Most pensioners get the same support, so there's no or little difference being on Pension Credit.
Such as?
They may not have been doing nothing, they may have been a homemaker. (you'll probably have to look that up)
Nonsense! They have to be eligible.
More nonsense:
Both Ivor and spineless spout a load of nonsense over things they have little understanding,
In the process they display an utter cruelty to the treatment of low income pensioners, and other people unfortunate enough to be on low income.
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Q: can more benefits be gained by asylum seekers than uk residents?
A: No, UK residents are eligible for a wider range of comprehensive welfare benefits and typically receive significantly higher financial support than asylum seekers.
