Who’s going to tell them that the answer is immigration?

[Ivor Windybottom]

They have electoral leverage because a greater proportion of them vote. They paid their stamps, and are funding their kids’ mortgages. Bloody ingrates.

I'd like to see an analysis of what the current pensioners paid in vs what they're getting out. I'm going to assume that they're getting multiples of what they paid, even in real terms.

Their generation promised themselves the world, but didn't put anything aside to pay for it.

They did pay for their parents' generation's retirement, but there were a lot less of them, they didn't get paid as much and they didn't live as long.

The boomers have had the most charmed life that any generation on planet earth will ever have. They've burnt all the oil, got the country into massive debt and are now demanding that they're kept in the style they're accustomed to at their children's expense, even though they're going to be less wealthy than they were.

 

[Odds]

I'd like to see an analysis of what the current pensioners paid in vs what they're getting out. I'm going to assume that they're getting multiples of what they paid, even in real terms.

Their generation promised themselves the world, but didn't put anything aside to pay for it.

They did pay for their parents' generation's retirement, but there were a lot less of them, they didn't get paid as much and they didn't live as long.

The boomers have had the most charmed life that any generation on planet earth will ever have. They've burnt all the oil, got the country into massive debt and are now demanding that they're kept in the style they're accustomed to at their children's expense, even though they're going to be less wealthy than they were.

So you're blaming the elderly for being old and reaping the benefits of paying in to the NHS all their lives - what are you, 12 years old?

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I'd like to see an analysis of what the current pensioners paid in vs what they're getting out. I'm going to assume that they're getting multiples of what they paid, even in real terms.

Their generation promised themselves the world, but didn't put anything aside to pay for it.

They did pay for their parents' generation's retirement, but there were a lot less of them, they didn't get paid as much and they didn't live as long.

The boomers have had the most charmed life that any generation on planet earth will ever have. They've burnt all the oil, got the country into massive debt and are now demanding that they're kept in the style they're accustomed to at their children's expense, even though they're going to be less wealthy than they were.

But surely a large part of life for all of us is dealing with the socioeconomic conditions of the day? If post boomer generations were transported back in time to be the boomer generation, they would welcome any of the better parts with open arms, no? And I'd assert the boomer generation didn't all have it great. They had their own struggles albeit in different ways.

I'd further assert many of the post boomer generations are still burning through the oil as you put it, in their own way.

Boomer generation = bad. Post boomer generations = good. Right? Nope, not as straightforward as that.

 

[Mottie]

But surely a large part of life for all of us is dealing with the socioeconomic conditions of the day? If post boomer generations were transported back in time to be the boomer generation, they would welcome any of the better parts with open arms, no? And I'd assert the boomer generation didn't all have it great. They had their own struggles albeit in different ways.

I'd further assert many of the post boomer generations are still burning through the oil as you put it, in their own way.

Boomer generation = bad. Post boomer generations = good. Right? Nope, not as straightforward as that.

What is the boomer generation?

Edit:
Scrub that, just looked it up. Those born between 1946 and 1964. That’ll be me then.

 

[King Billy]

EVERY refugee granted asylum is a potential draw from the pension credit pot

The rest of the population are a potential draw on the credit pot, if not for Pension Credit, then for NHS, etc.
Some of those refugees that you are so concerned about might well be in well paid jobs, or brought their savings with them, which might make them ineligible for Pension credit.

if not now, then certainly in the future.

Potentially means not now, but possibly in the future.

I doubt if many of them will build up the required number of complete years NI subscriptions, do you? In any case, it’s not about immigrants.

I see. You've been unable to make your case with immigrants, so now you switch to a different target.

It’s about the work shy and feckless indigenous population that will be getting pension credit.

If they're in study, they'll be getting their NI stamp. If they're pregnant, they'll be getting their NI stamp, if they're looking after young children they'll be getting their NI stamp, if they're getting UC ESA, or JSA they'll be getting their NI stamp, and so it goes on.......

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

I believe it's generally accepted that (as an average, obviously), boomers will have had the wealthiest lifestyles ever. They didn't fight a war, got their houses for peanuts and are now getting the highest state pension ever.

It's unlikely that (again on average, obviously) their children or grand-children will have as lavish a lifestyle. Partly because of the crippling taxes now being paid to pay the pensions of the boomers.

I don't have the answers, but we should start by accepting that pensioners are the biggest burden on workers that they've ever been. They could at least be grateful for starters.

 

[Mottie]

I believe it's generally accepted that (as an average, obviously), boomers will have had the wealthiest lifestyles ever. They didn't fight a war, got their houses for peanuts and are now getting the highest state pension ever.

I don't have the answers, but we should start by accepting that pensioners are the biggest burden on workers that they've ever been. They could at least be grateful for starters.

Oh, I am. Thankyouverymuch (TM)

Don’t worry, we won’t be around for ever, we’re a dying breed!

 

[blup]

I'd like to see an analysis of what the current pensioners paid in vs what they're getting out. I'm going to assume that they're getting multiples of what they paid, even in real terms.

Their generation promised themselves the world, but didn't put anything aside to pay for it.

They did pay for their parents' generation's retirement, but there were a lot less of them, they didn't get paid as much and they didn't live as long.

The boomers have had the most charmed life that any generation on planet earth will ever have. They've burnt all the oil, got the country into massive debt and are now demanding that they're kept in the style they're accustomed to at their children's expense, even though they're going to be less wealthy than they were.

It was a bribe brought in by Osborn irc., just after we bailed out the banks, so done fully in the knowledge that inflation was going to increase over a sustained period

 

[blup]

Oh, I am. Thankyouverymuch (TM)

Don’t worry, we won’t be around for ever, we’re a dying breed!

Reported

 

[Mottie]

Apart from 1982/83 when I was in South Africa, I have completed years for every year since then. However, I did notice this on my record a few years ago:

When I phoned them up to ask how much extra I pension would get if I paid that amount, I was told "Absolutely nothing". "I won’t bother then" was my reply to which the bloke said "I wouldn’t either if I was you!"

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I believe it's generally accepted that (as an average, obviously), boomers will have had the wealthiest lifestyles ever. They didn't fight a war, got their houses for peanuts and are now getting the highest state pension ever.

It's unlikely that (again on average, obviously) their children or grand-children will have as lavish a lifestyle. Partly because of the crippling taxes now being paid to pay the pensions of the boomers.

I don't have the answers, but we should start by accepting that pensioners are the biggest burden on workers that they've ever been. They could at least be grateful for starters.

AI will sort it all out.

 

[SPLINE]

Some sort of fund which pays the state pension out of past contributions rather than current ones. I was picking up on your Q108:
...And I was wondering whether such a scheme might work and what it might look like in practice.

Yes, a fund is how a pension should work, but it is not what I am getting at. I want to show how much of our contributions are being squandered. It would be good if there was a list of all those on the state pension, ordered by how many years' payments they have made. Payments that is, not credits. The data exists, everybody has an account, see Mottie's example, but the government will not release such a list... perhaps Rupert Lowe could do one of his FOI requests. Some people will have worked for 50+ years. These payers need separating from the non-payers before any shake-up happens. Non-contributors are the cause of the pension crisis.

 

[Odds]

But can AI sort out the Immigration 'crisis?

Switzerland may provide the answer; offered by the far-right Swiss People’s Party (SVP), is to freeze the country. On June 14th, Swiss voters will decide whether the permanent population should be capped at 10 million. That threshold could be reached sometime between 2033 and 2041. Polls suggest the vote will be on a knife edge.

They have chutzpah: they advocate immigration as the culprit for strained infrastructure - given the detrimental policies it supports: weakening tenant protections, deprioritising rail investment and championing the low-tax policies that attract corporates and wealthy foreigners in the first place.

IF this referendum does pass, and should the population then exceed 10 million, Berne would be required to terminate its agreement with the EU on the free movement of people. The agreements linking Switzerland to the EU’s single market would become null and void, opening the way to the SVP’s long-held dream: reimagining Switzerland as a deregulated, buccaneering hub trading freely with the world. A sort of Alpine Dubai.

(The kind of arrangement that 'reform' will implement should they grasp the keys to #10 in their grubby little blood stained mitts.)

 

[noseall]

. I want to show how much of our contributions are being squandered.

You just want to Mone. Ultimate cost to the taxpayer - £203 MILLION.

And that's just one scrounging Tory.

 

[SPLINE]

You just want to Mone. Ultimate cost to the taxpayer - £203 MILLION.

And that's just one scrounging Tory.

You are still in the Labour vs Tory world, how quaint!