Wiring a Pontec PonDuett 3000 .....

[Letitbnown]

Hi one and all,
This is my first venture into this website, and I would very much appreciate a little advice on a pond pump that I am about to install.
My pond is only very small and quite close to the house, certainly well within the range of the 10 metres of cable supplied. My only wish is to create a gently flowing cascade, which has now had the hardware constructed and just awaits the necessary flow of water. Would it be okay to simply drill through the house wall and connect to the nearest wall socket, via the compulsory rcd adaptor (30mA trip), and plug with 3amp fuse installed?
Thank you in anticipation, I look forward to hearing from anyone who might advise.

 

[NewOrder]

I assume you are aware that you cannot do this work without notifiying the council? You then have to have it inspected, or you could just get a sparkie in.

 

[breezer]

Letitbnown, simple answer is no you can't just drill a hole through the wall an plug it in.

Its all to do with a buiding regulaion called part P

try a search on part P

 

[sparkyspike]

Do your indoor sockets have no RCD protection?

 

[breezer]

doesnt matter if the indoor sockets do oe dont have rcd protection does it?

he could always plug in an RCD adaptor.

point is its a permanent fixture going in a special location (pump and garden) which means it comes under part P

and for what its worth, i hate Part P

 

[Letitbnown]

Thank you for the replies to date.
I did purchase a Blagdon Powersafe kit that allows outside electrical connections to be made by a non qualified person. The only problem with this though would be siting it in a place within range of the pump cable. It can be done, but not easily, owing to the garden layout. This was why I asked the original question. It seems to be the same arrangement overall, but without the extensive armoured cable. The house connection still requires the RCD Adaptor, which I have to have in place, despite the house being fitted with the system.

 

[sparkyspike]

doesnt matter if the indoor sockets do oe dont have rcd protection does it?

Yes

 

[breezer]

doesnt matter if the indoor sockets do oe dont have rcd protection does it?

Yes

you missed out the last bit

he could always plug in an RCD adaptor.

Its still in his garden though, and its going to be permanent, which means it comes under part P

I really do hate part P

 

[GaryMo]

doesnt matter if the indoor sockets do oe dont have rcd protection does it?

he could always plug in an RCD adaptor.

You would rely on a plug in RCD adaptor to give RCD protection to outdoor circuits? Would you certify an installation like this?

point is its a permanent fixture going in a special location (pump and garden) which means it comes under part P

All electrical work carried out in a domestic dwelling comes under Part P.
Certain work requires notification if that's what you're getting confused with.

 

[sparkyspike]

doesnt matter if the indoor sockets do oe dont have rcd protection does it?

It does matter, because it determines what advice the op is going to be given.

 

[breezer]

ok guys, please correct me where i am wrong then. (no really, please do)

But before you do, i say this.

he wants a pump for his pond. we must agree that one?

i say makes no difference if it has RCD in CU or not (because he could always plug one in before pluginging in the pump)

my argument is:

as its a pump in the garden it comes under part P

Now whats wrong with that?

either he gets part P registered person to do it , or Notifys LABC first

 

[GaryMo]

my argument is:

as its a pump in the garden it comes under part P

Now whats wrong with that?

Of course it comes under Part P. It also requires notification.
All electrical work, no matter how minor requires compliance with Part P, not all work requires notification though.

 

[breezer]

yes and?

 

[GaryMo]

yes and?

OK, you're obviously not getting it.

Installation of a pump in an outdoor pond fed from an existing circuit.
Installation of a socket in a bedroom fed from an existing circuit.

They both require compliance with Part P. Would you notify LABC for both of them?
You seem to think that if something comes under Part P then it requires notification to LABC.

my argument is:

as its a pump in the garden it comes under part P

Now whats wrong with that?

either he gets part P registered person to do it , or Notifys LABC first

Yes, this work comes under Part P (domestic) and it also requires notification.
Be specific - notification is a word you need to use.

 

[sparkyspike]

I'm not disagreeing with your point on Part P. In fact you've raised an important point. Companies are selling these kits as 'DIYable' without clearly explaining the latest requirements of Part P.

As this isn't the op's question though, I am trying to determine whether he has RCD protection in the house because he could use a standard fcu spurred off or included on the ring..