So if they called it a ocean going yacht, would that make it one?Yes it is. The manufacturer calls it an electronic transformer therefore it is.
No, not until they are granted some power, by an authoritative organisation, to redefine the meanings of words.Yes it does.and the maker writing that word on the case does not make it one.
I can't decide whether you are being insulting in thinking that people won't understand that a trade or product name is very different from the name of what something is, or whether you genuinely don't understand that yourself.
Only in the feeble mind of someone who does not understand, or in the offensively insulting mind of someone who thinks that others won't understandQ.E.D. and an inescapable flaw in your argument.
There is no new definition.It does the same in a different way - invented since the definition was written.
Things which mean that he either thinks that this is a shallow place to cross a river:
or he is deliberately behaving stupidly.
But it's a misnomer that was never needed.Indeed. I might have fractionally more sympathy for winston if it just said "Transformer" - but it actually says "Electronic Transformer", which is a new phrase to describe these things which, as you say, were not invented (or even dreamed of) when the (unqualified) word "transformer" came into being.
Were there existing words or terms already available to use for those?I wonder if winston has the same problem with things like "electronic documents", "electronic signatures", "electronic dictionaries", "electronic cigarettes" and suchlike?
Quite possibly not.Like there is no such thing as an electronic cigarette?
Yes.So if they called it a ocean going yacht, would that make it one?Yes it is. The manufacturer calls it an electronic transformer therefore it is.
They don't have to redefine.No, not until they are granted some power, by an authoritative organisation, to redefine the meanings of words.Yes it does.and the maker writing that word on the case does not make it one.
Yet it is called a blackberry.I can't decide whether you are being insulting in thinking that people won't understand that a trade or product name is very different from the name of what something is, or whether you genuinely don't understand that yourself.
Yet it transforms. CLICKOnly in the feeble mind of someone who does not understand, or in the offensively insulting mind of someone who thinks that others won't understandQ.E.D. and an inescapable flaw in your argument.
You can easily find the definition of "transformer", and simply changing a voltage is insufficient.t
How long will it before the definition is updated?There is no new definition.It does the same in a different way - invented since the definition was written.
Quite probably - but whether or not it was needed is not what people are discussing. We certainly didn't need to start calling bulbs "lamps", particularly given that "lamp" already had (and still does have) a totally different meaning!But it's a misnomer that was never needed.Indeed. I might have fractionally more sympathy for winston if it just said "Transformer" - but it actually says "Electronic Transformer", which is a new phrase to describe these things which, as you say, were not invented (or even dreamed of) when the (unqualified) word "transformer" came into being.
Will you please tell us (and these are genuine questions, not rhetorical, for which proper answers are important), if in that case you would happily fry a few of them, and eat them with chips, and a fried egg?You have, of course, picked a particularly silly example but if, because of its shape, the manufacturer called it a sausage then that is what it would be.
Are you being deliberately obtuse?Even if it did not have the same function, that would still be its name.
As per above, if a handful of them were stewed with apple, and served in a dish covered with pastry, would you eat it?Yet it is called a blackberry.
So does a dropper resistor, that does not make it a transformer.Yet it transforms.
I don't know.How long will it before the definition is updated?
That can't not be discussed, as it is fundamental.Quite probably - but whether or not it was needed is not what people are discussing.
Of course not.Will you please tell us (and these are genuine questions, not rhetorical, for which proper answers are important), if in that case you would happily fry a few of them, and eat them with chips, and a fried egg?
Because it is not edible or even eatable; it merely has the same name.If not, why not?
As above.If you bought a sausage roll, and it contained one of those wrapped in flaky pastry, would you think that was OK?
If not, why not?
Not as obtuse as some.Are you being deliberately obtuse?Even if it did not have the same function, that would still be its name.
Because it it not edible; it just has the same name.As per above, if a handful of them were stewed with apple, and served in a dish covered with pastry, would you eat it?Yet it is called a blackberry.
If not, why not?
Are you saying something which transforms is not transforming?So does a dropper resistor, that does not make it a transformer.Yet it transforms.
This one is a peacockThis flies:
Calling it an aeroplane does not make it one.
But that is its name according to the makers.I don't know.How long will it before the definition is updated?
But until it is updated, calling it something it is not is wrong.
The definition of 'lamp' does not yet seem to have been updated to including the (IMO daft!) way in which electricians etc. have come to use the word:I don't know. ... But until it is updated, calling it something it is not is wrong.How long will it before the definition is updated?
So, is it also wrong (I personally wish it was!) for electricians etc. to use the word to mean 'electric bulb' or 'light bulb' until such a time when (if) the dictionary definition is updated ?Oxford Dictionaries said:Lamp NOUN 1. A device for giving light, either one consisting of an electric bulb together with its holder and shade or cover, or one burning gas or oil and consisting of a wick or mantle and a glass shade
How about illuminater, electric illuminater, electronic illuminater. etc etcSo what it the alternative to 'lamp' if that is (in your opinion) 'daft'?
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