Zion and the Art of Armageddon

now john i think this has been done to death already and proved it is.
It isn't

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Complete overhaul required then, that won't be easy.
There has been some talk of a re alignment of FATAH. Including HAMAS poli's - pass. US seem to just mention the PA and approve of the single person change in that group. He's been regarded as a book keeper. ie Look after the financing.

Interestingly an older ex security Isreali reckons they have the ideal person in jail who really does believe in 2 states. An Israeli that AlJ sometime interview. He's the one that recognised HAMAS's trap. Loosing the war of words. He feels Israel has fallen for it hook line and sinker and the current gov doesn't help. Just makes it worse.
 
No it isn't.


The area mentioned in the Hamas Charter covers the whole of Israel and Palestine, it state it's aim to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionists.
The language may have softened from the original charter but the intention is still clear.

The Movement:

1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means.

The Land of Palestine:

2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

3. Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. It is a blessed sacred land that has a special place in the heart of every Arab and every Muslim.
 
Interestingly an older ex security Isreali reckons they have the ideal person in jail who really does believe in 2 states. An Israeli that AlJ sometime interview. He's the one that recognised HAMAS's trap. Loosing the war of words. He feels Israel has fallen for it hook line and sinker and the current gov doesn't help. Just makes it worse.

Barghouti?

 
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It's been shaping up that way for weeks with the delays on the Rafah siege, the world won't allow the total destruction of Hamas which will equate to everlasting conflict.
Israel have withdrawn a lot of troops. What's left appears to be tidying up eg el Shifa as HAMAS was still about. There are some oddities about that attack but little came out. Just a bit when it started and what was left in the end.

So one view is that Rafar gets attacked there will be more mobilisation. The US view on an attack there is mixed. Fine if the civilians are not harmed "too much" against where can they go if evacuated from the deputy president. The talks appear to be going on at the moment.

Things appear to be quietening down from the Israeli side. More aid is getting in but distribution to where it is badly needed is still a problem even on the few occasions where it gets to the north.

If HAMAS accepts a ceasefire it will. Maybe you have forgotten that they have done that. The final solution might not be agreeable to them though but then none of us really know what that is. There are also the other groups. Maybe the ceasefire worked as no IDF to shoot at.
 
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The area mentioned in the Hamas Charter covers the whole of Israel and Palestine, it state it's aim to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionists.
The language may have softened from the original charter but the intention is still clear.

The Movement:

1. The Islamic Resistance Movement “Hamas” is a Palestinian Islamic national liberation and resistance movement. Its goal is to liberate Palestine and confront the Zionist project. Its frame of reference is Islam, which determines its principles, objectives and means.

The Land of Palestine:

2. Palestine, which extends from the River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras Al-Naqurah in the north to Umm Al-Rashrash in the south, is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.

3. Palestine is an Arab Islamic land. It is a blessed sacred land that has a special place in the heart of every Arab and every Muslim.
Glad to see you have demonstrated that Andy's assertion is not true.
 
The WHO have called for an immediate ceasefire. As with all it also calls for the release of all hostages. HAMAS as an untrusting lot want staged releases. The fighting is probably killing hostages from time to time as they have been kept in all sorts of places.
 
It isn't

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Hi John Fillboy has very kindly supplied the detail for you. If I remember correctly he has done so many times before.
 
Dam. Qatar made some announcements but missed most of it and some comments might be from Spain who have decided to recognise the state of Palestine within a month or two. No shift in negotiating positions since Jan figured in the comments. Qatar now is calling for an immediate ceasefire. el Shifa figures in that relating to destruction and setting on fire etc.

The aid brits killed were all ex military from a group based in the UK that specialise in this sort of thing using ex military people. One killed was ex sbs. Net effect 440tonnes of aid going back to Cyprus.

The same sort of weapon was being used ~13 years ago for similar purposes.

Filly might like to note that the number of aid workers killed has been upped to just short of 200. There are number of agencies involved including one from France that experienced the same problem as the above Brits. Each time Israel is asked for an explanation. This doesn't seem to achieve anything.

One case cropped up a while ago. 4 Brit doctors who survived with a but. Israel knew where they were.They organisation have repeated asked Israel for an explanation and have received 6 different answers.
 
It's been shaping up that way for weeks with the delays on the Rafah siege, the world won't allow the total destruction of Hamas which will equate to everlasting conflict.
The Americans are trying to avoid a genocide rolling on to tv screens across the nation in real time.
Total destruction of Hamas is a chimera that'll vanish once the dust settles and the next generation rebuilds the Gaza Strip - then picks up a rifle or a rocket launcher to start all over again. The damage is estimated at $18.5 billion - so far...and there's still no end in sight.
Netanyahu's determination to bring down Hamas will only end up with his political demise.
 
Hi John Fillboy has very kindly supplied the detail for you. If I remember correctly he has done so many times before.

We have established that it does not say what you claimed.
 
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