Would PR help UKIP

[Micilin]

Remember? there is only ONE Conservative Westminster MP voted into the Westminster Parliament.
Question? how would you feel about that? Where only One MP at Westminster is an elected member of the DOMINANT party in power out of all of the Westminster MPs

There are several areas that could have a similar grievance.

It depends whether you consider Britain one country or not.
There is only one part which has been given the opportunity to vote on this and they decided that it should be.

The Scots voted on whether or not to remain part of the UK. Britain being a country wasn't an issue

 

[EFLImpudence]

I just didn't want to include Northern Ireland.

 

[EFLImpudence]

They (NI) should be given independence whether they want it or not.

 

[Norcon]

They (NI) should be given independence whether they want it or not.

You won't get rid of us.
We can show you lot what it means to be Loyal to Queen and country.
Especially you rebel republicans.
God save the Queen.

 

[EFLImpudence]

 

[JBR]

We have just undergone a so called Formal coalition, what I would like to see is all parties negotiating, not shouting at each other to come up with a middle path where we the population can see that whatever party we have voted for have an input to the final decision?

Impossible.

Perhaps that might happen in some countries, but not here. It is not one of our national traits to negotiate.

Did you see the political debate yesterday? All five politicians argued with each other, calling each other all the names under the sun. I fully expected the four lefties to argue against Nigel Farage, but even they couldn't help getting at each other.

Have you watched Prime Minister's Questions? It's like falling out and name-calling in a school playground. The two sides of The House rarely manage to agree on anything, in fact I firmly believe that what one party proposes the other will try to veto simply because it was proposed by the other side.

It was a similar situation in the '70s. Management and unions were unable to negotiate which resulted in many strikes which benefited no-one and, in fact, damaged everyone and ultimately helped to destroy the country's industrial base.

No. Germans can work with each other, which is why they are the richest and most powerful country in Europe, but we can't seem to manage it.

 

[joe-90]

It's the job of the opposition to oppose and test the proposal from the other side. Surely you know that?

 

[Micilin]

We have just undergone a so called Formal coalition, what I would like to see is all parties negotiating, not shouting at each other to come up with a middle path where we the population can see that whatever party we have voted for have an input to the final decision?

Impossible.

Perhaps that might happen in some countries, but not here. It is not one of our national traits to negotiate.

Did you see the political debate yesterday? All five politicians argued with each other, calling each other all the names under the sun. I fully expected the four lefties to argue against Nigel Farage, but even they couldn't help getting at each other.

Have you watched Prime Minister's Questions? It's like falling out and name-calling in a school playground. The two sides of The House rarely manage to agree on anything, in fact I firmly believe that what one party proposes the other will try to veto simply because it was proposed by the other side.

It was a similar situation in the '70s. Management and unions were unable to negotiate which resulted in many strikes which benefited no-one and, in fact, damaged everyone and ultimately helped to destroy the country's industrial base.

No. Germans can work with each other, which is why they are the richest and most powerful country in Europe, but we can't seem to manage it.

Interesting .

Do you think its a bit of a vicious circle, In that the adversarial nature of the system itself feeds into the culture?

(Rather than the culture per se)


Up until the recent impasse, the NI Assembly had cooperation between people who previously you could not have imagined sitting in the same room.

Maybe three or four cycles of coalition will change Westminster.

 

[jockscott]

It's the job of the opposition to oppose and test the proposal from the other side. Surely you know that?

Surely in every debate though, there is some middle ground? Surely not all opposition MP's oppose whatever the incumbent lot are trying to do?
What your describing is the party whip system. High time MP's were allowed "free" votes on all issues, instead of being told how to vote by their inglorious leader.

 

[jeds]

It was a similar situation in the '70s. Management and unions were unable to negotiate which resulted in many strikes which benefited no-one and, in fact, damaged everyone and ultimately helped to destroy the country's industrial base.

Very true. Many of our problems now stem from unions and poor management in the 70s destroying our industrial base just because they were hell bent on not giving an inch. The Germans also had strong unions but prospered because they worked together for the benefit of the company.

 

[Doug99]

What your describing is the party whip system. High time MP's were allowed "free" votes on all issues, instead of being told how to vote by their inglorious leader.

So why don't MPs vote the way their constituents want? I know an MP can lose the 'whip' but what does that mean to the individual MP?

 

[jeds]

What your describing is the party whip system. High time MP's were allowed "free" votes on all issues, instead of being told how to vote by their inglorious leader.

So why don't MPs vote the way their constituents want? I know an MP can lose the 'whip' but what does that mean to the individual MP?

Not all constituents want the same thing though. And some want one thing one week and another the next.

 

[jockscott]

So why don't MPs vote the way their constituents want? I know an MP can lose the 'whip' but what does that mean to the individual MP?

Not all constituents want the same thing though. And some want one thing one week and another the next.

Aye, just like my missus (except change one week, for one minute)

 

[JBR]

It's the job of the opposition to oppose and test the proposal from the other side.

What, even if they agree with it?

 

[JBR]

It's the job of the opposition to oppose and test the proposal from the other side. Surely you know that?

Surely in every debate though, there is some middle ground? Surely not all opposition MP's oppose whatever the incumbent lot are trying to do?
What your describing is the party whip system. High time MP's were allowed "free" votes on all issues, instead of being told how to vote by their inglorious leader.

I completely agree. And perhaps it could also be achieved by secret voting, although the argument against it is that constituents should be allowed to see what their MP is voting for.