Child protection

[RNReindeer]

Islam is not a race - it is an ideology.

You want referenced facts - hear you go.

I haven't reproduced all of your quote, simply for brevity.

Firstly, Islamophobia is a form of racism.


Secondly. Excellent piece of work brigadier. I congratulate you on the amount of research you’ve obviously undertaken.
Unfortunately, it’s all wasted. Despite overwhelming evidence, you started from the premise that child brides is a phenomenon within Islam, and you’ve gone to extraordinary lengths to justify that belief.
All you had to do was accept the opinions of well respected institutions, reproduced below, that child brides is a phenomenon driven by economics which is why it is prevalent throughout the developing world.

Major factors perpetuating child marriage are economic considerations (poverty, marriage-related expenses, dowry), gender norms and expectations, concerns about girls’ safety and family honour, and a lack of educational opportunities for girls.
http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/child-marriage/india/[/QUOTE]

Child marriage is related to child betrothal and forced early marriage because of the pregnancy of the girl. In many cases, only one marriage-partner is a child, usually the female. Child marriages are also driven by poverty, bride price, dowry, cultural traditions, laws that allow child marriages, religious and social pressures, regional customs, fear of remaining unmarried, illiteracy, and perceived inability of women to work for money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage#Prevalence_data

Child marriage most often occurs in poor, rural communities……
This harmful practice is most common in poor, rural communities,
http://www.icrw.org/what-we-do/adolescents/child-marriage

Additionally, and in support of my accusation that you are driven by islamophobia rather than genuine concern for child bides is the fact that the absolute number of child brides is not influenced by religion as you claim, but it’s driven by factors mentioned in the articles referred to in the quotes, hence why the highest absolute numbers of child brides occur in India (some 10,000,000) which is predominately Hindu.

10 Countries with the Highest Absolute Numbers of Child Marriage
1. India 10,063
2. Bangladesh 2,359
3. Nigeria 1,193
4. Brazil 877
5. Ethiopia 673
6. Pakistan 600
7. Indonesia 458
8. Democratic Republic of the Congo 291
9. Mexico 260
10. Niger 244
Numbers in 000's

But I will accept that religion does have a small influence, but that is not restricted to Islam.

No one religious affiliation was associated with child marriage, according to a 2007 ICRW study. Rather, a variety of religions are associated with child marriage in countries throughout the world.
http://www.icrw.org/child-marriage-facts-and-figures

But as usual you want to restrict your crticism of child brides to Islam.
Just like the animal slaughter issue, you're exploiting sensitive issues to further promote islamophobia.

BTW, I echo micilin's remark about your attempt at correlation.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Islamophobia is a form of racism

Semantically that is about as bad as it gets.

 

[handyjack]

Islamophobia is a form of racism

Semantically that is about as bad as it gets.

As Islam is not a race, how can you call it racism?

 

[Norcon]

Islamophobia is a form of racism

Semantically that is about as bad as it gets.

As Islam is not a race, how can you call it racism?

A lot of left wing libertards are so irrationally afraid of an irrational fear of islam that they are not able to consider the very good reasons for fearing islamist zealots.
Which also explains why they have difficulty explaining what’s going on in the world.

reindeer should travel out to syria or nigeria and tell the Christians and other ethnic minorities to stop being islamophobic and racist.

 

[RNReindeer]

Islam is not a race - it is an ideology.

As Islam is not a race, how can you call it racism?

Some scholars have defined it as a type of racism...../
....The opinions that Islam has no values in common with other cultures, that it is inferior to Western cultures, and is a violent political ideology rather than a religion are also, according to the report, part of the concept of Islamophobia............/
........A 2007 article in Journal of Sociology defines Islamophobia as anti-Muslim racism and a continuation of anti-Asian and anti-Arab racism........./
.......According to Alan Johnson, Islamophobia sometimes can be nothing more than xenophobia or racism "wrapped in religious terms."....../
.............Whether it takes the shape of daily forms of racism and discrimination or more violent forms, Islamophobia is a violation of human rights and a threat to social cohesion".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia[/QUOTE]

 

[RNReindeer]

While I'm at this point I may as well demonstrate how islamophobia manifests itself:

Senior scientist at the Norwegian Center for Studies of Holocaust and Religious Minorities, Cora Alexa Døving, argues that there are significant similarities between Islamophobic discourse and European pre-Nazi antisemitism. Among the concerns are imagined threats of minority growth and domination, threats to traditional institutions and customs, skepticism of integration, threats to secularism, fears of sexual crimes, fears of misogyny, fears based on historical cultural inferiority, hostility to modern Western Enlightenment values, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

Look familiar?

 

[Norcon]

While I'm at this point I may as well demonstrate how islamophobia manifests itself:

Senior scientist at the Norwegian Center for Studies of Holocaust and Religious Minorities, Cora Alexa Døving, argues that there are significant similarities between Islamophobic discourse and European pre-Nazi antisemitism. Among the concerns are imagined threats of minority growth and domination, threats to traditional institutions and customs, skepticism of integration, threats to secularism, fears of sexual crimes, fears of misogyny, fears based on historical cultural inferiority, hostility to modern Western Enlightenment values, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

Look familiar?

Nope. Not in the slightest.

 

[RNReindeer]

While I'm at this point I may as well demonstrate how islamophobia manifests itself:

Senior scientist at the Norwegian Center for Studies of Holocaust and Religious Minorities, Cora Alexa Døving, argues that there are significant similarities between Islamophobic discourse and European pre-Nazi antisemitism. Among the concerns are imagined threats of minority growth and domination, threats to traditional institutions and customs, skepticism of integration, threats to secularism, fears of sexual crimes, fears of misogyny, fears based on historical cultural inferiority, hostility to modern Western Enlightenment values, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

Look familiar?

Nope. Not in the slightest.

Are you sure, nocon, absolutely sure?

think very carefully now before committing yourself.....

But the problem is the ******** want to take over the world.

And, of course, there's plenty more.

That is troubling enough. But what’s even more concerning is that many of those whom I would define as Islamophobic feel very good about it. They see themselves not as racist or xenophobic, but as defenders of democracy and human rights against the adherents of a religion they believe is incompatible with both.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...dresden-protests-germany-islamisation[/QUOTE]

 

[LastMagicBean]

.......According to Alan Johnson, Islamophobia sometimes can be nothing more than xenophobia or racism

Well that's that then.

Marvelous.

Good old Alan.

 

[Brigadier]

Secondly. Excellent piece of work brigadier. I congratulate you on the amount of research you’ve obviously undertaken.
Unfortunately, it’s all wasted. Despite overwhelming evidence, you started from the premise that child brides is a phenomenon within Islam, and you’ve gone to extraordinary lengths to justify that belief.
All you had to do was accept the opinions of well respected institutions, reproduced below, that child brides is a phenomenon driven by economics which is why it is prevalent throughout the developing world.

Major factors perpetuating child marriage are economic considerations (poverty, marriage-related expenses, dowry), gender norms and expectations, concerns about girls’ safety and family honour, and a lack of educational opportunities for girls.
http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/child-marriage/india/[/QUOTE]

Child marriage is related to child betrothal and forced early marriage because of the pregnancy of the girl. In many cases, only one marriage-partner is a child, usually the female. Child marriages are also driven by poverty, bride price, dowry, cultural traditions, laws that allow child marriages, religious and social pressures, regional customs, fear of remaining unmarried, illiteracy, and perceived inability of women to work for money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage#Prevalence_data

Child marriage most often occurs in poor, rural communities……
This harmful practice is most common in poor, rural communities,
http://www.icrw.org/what-we-do/adolescents/child-marriage

Additionally, and in support of my accusation that you are driven by islamophobia rather than genuine concern for child bides is the fact that the absolute number of child brides is not influenced by religion as you claim, but it’s driven by factors mentioned in the articles referred to in the quotes, hence why the highest absolute numbers of child brides occur in India (some 10,000,000) which is predominately Hindu.

10 Countries with the Highest Absolute Numbers of Child Marriage
1. India 10,063
2. Bangladesh 2,359
3. Nigeria 1,193
4. Brazil 877
5. Ethiopia 673
6. Pakistan 600
7. Indonesia 458
8. Democratic Republic of the Congo 291
9. Mexico 260
10. Niger 244
Numbers in 000's

But I will accept that religion does have a small influence, but that is not restricted to Islam.

No one religious affiliation was associated with child marriage, according to a 2007 ICRW study. Rather, a variety of religions are associated with child marriage in countries throughout the world.
http://www.icrw.org/child-marriage-facts-and-figures

But as usual you want to restrict your crticism of child brides to Islam.
Just like the animal slaughter issue, you're exploiting sensitive issues to further promote islamophobia.

BTW, I echo micilin's remark about your attempt at correlation.

I thought about the 14% bit, but couldn't be bothered to explain my full rationale behind it (I was running around with my bin lids, as it happens). So, whatever.

I totally accept that child marriage (among other traits that we westerners find abhorrent) is a "problem" of developing societies. Have you considered the possibility that Islam is prevalent in "developing" societies? Furthermore....

your own quote....

Major factors perpetuating child marriage are economic considerations (poverty, marriage-related expenses, dowry), gender norms and expectations, concerns about girls’ safety and family honour, and a lack of educational opportunities for girls.
http://www.girlsnotbrides.org/child-marriage/india/[/QUOTE]


"gender norms and expectations"........"family honour"......"lack of educational opportunity for girls"........

Sound familiar?

Child marriage is related to child betrothal and forced early marriage because of the pregnancy of the girl. In many cases, only one marriage-partner is a child, usually the female. Child marriages are also driven by poverty, bride price, dowry, cultural traditions, laws that allow child marriages, religious and social pressures, regional customs, fear of remaining unmarried, illiteracy, and perceived inability of women to work for money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage#Prevalence_data

"laws that allow child marriages"......."religious...pressures"........"regional customs"......"illiteracy"......"perceived [forced?] inability of women to work for money"........


Sound familiar?


"hence why the highest absolute numbers of child brides occur in India (some 10,000,000) which is predominately Hindu."

You can draw about the same statistical conclusions out of your quote above, as you can out out of my "14%" one.

 

[Brigadier]

If I might momentarily return to the intended discussion point of this thread ( ), the age of consent in the UK was set at 13 in 1875 which isn't really all that long ago. It again highlights how arbitrarily our sense of moral indignation can be "learned" and embedded into our culture and how easily we seem to forget that what is now considered reprehensible was fairly recently thought as being acceptable and normal.

Arbitrary yes, Dex, but we live in the here and now. Which is where our moral compass ought to be based.

 

[JBR]

I totally accept that child marriage (among other traits that we westerners find abhorrent) is a "problem" of developing societies.

Such as Birmingham and, of course, Rotherham!

 

[Norcon]

While I'm at this point I may as well demonstrate how islamophobia manifests itself:

Senior scientist at the Norwegian Center for Studies of Holocaust and Religious Minorities, Cora Alexa Døving, argues that there are significant similarities between Islamophobic discourse and European pre-Nazi antisemitism. Among the concerns are imagined threats of minority growth and domination, threats to traditional institutions and customs, skepticism of integration, threats to secularism, fears of sexual crimes, fears of misogyny, fears based on historical cultural inferiority, hostility to modern Western Enlightenment values, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia

Look familiar?

Nope. Not in the slightest.

Are you sure, nocon, absolutely sure?

think very carefully now before committing yourself.....

But the problem is the ********** want to take over the world.

And, of course, there's plenty more.

That is troubling enough. But what’s even more concerning is that many of those whom I would define as Islamophobic feel very good about it. They see themselves not as racist or xenophobic, but as defenders of democracy and human rights against the adherents of a religion they believe is incompatible with both.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...protests-germany-islamisation[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Where abouts in thirties Germany did the jewish community have marches with banners reading..
death to the west
Judaism will rule the world
behead those who insult jews

muslim have dozens of wars raging in the world today.
Where abouts in the thirties were the jewish community warmongering in the world?

 

[Deleted member 63160]

If I might momentarily return to the intended discussion point of this thread ( ), the age of consent in the UK was set at 13 in 1875 which isn't really all that long ago. It again highlights how arbitrarily our sense of moral indignation can be "learned" and embedded into our culture and how easily we seem to forget that what is now considered reprehensible was fairly recently thought as being acceptable and normal.

Arbitrary yes, Dex, but we live in the here and now. Which is where our moral compass ought to be based.

So true. Fed up with people justifying Islamic atrocities committed now with what the knights did in the crusades.

 

[RNReindeer]

Norcon.....
"reindeer has just had his racist abuse removed. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif"



About time too. The Bigot.

Blatantly untrue, but then deceit seems to come easily to racists.
I've no idea which posts were removed but they weren't mine.