Freedom of Speech Does Not Include the Right to Offend

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Himmagin has a break in his bath gets pinched

Spotted being paddled across the channel

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

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Bobby to a tee.

How would you know, you're supposed to be ignoring me.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I understand the cartoon was used in a Religious Education class.
What kind of RE teacher uses abuses a RE lesson to insult a religion, any religion?
Clearly he either lacked the intelligence to gain the approval of his peers before insulting a fair proportion of his class, or he lacked the awareness of some of the religions of his pupils.
That doesn't sound like a rational RE teacher to me who's trying to teach tolerance.
That sounds like a RE teacher with a desire to insult a religion.

How do you know he insulted the religion? I know it was an RE class, what I wonder is the context in which the teacher used the cartoon.

I might be an RE teacher, hold up a cartoon of Jesus doing a wheelie on a BMX with him shouting 'BMX forever, oh YEAH!!!' and ask my class 'do we think this caricature of Jesus is acceptable? Let's have a debate.'

That's not insulting the religion.

It is 100% right that religions should be held up to investigation, study, debate, critical analysis, even ridicule. Just because person x believes in god y doesn't mean this can't be questioned and, in a free democratic society, picked apart by others.

To wish otherwise is to wish we lived in a one state dictatorship.

 

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Sounds like Bobby the Bigot is still making friends. Careful what you say, he likes telling tales on people on the Screwfix forum. Weasel.

who cares I say

he did all that years ago with his smile / snap caper in an attempt to intimidate

 

[fillyboy]

How do you know he insulted the religion? I know it was an RE class, what I wonder is the context in which the teacher used the cartoon.

I might be an RE teacher, hold up a cartoon of Jesus doing a wheelie on a BMX with him shouting 'BMX forever, oh YEAH!!!' and ask my class 'do we think this caricature of Jesus is acceptable? Let's have a debate.'

That's not insulting the religion.

It is 100% right that religions should be held up to investigation, study, debate, critical analysis, even ridicule. Just because person x believes in god y doesn't mean this can't be questioned and, in a free democratic society, picked apart by others.

To wish otherwise is to wish we lived in a one state dictatorship.

Dave Allen was renowned for taking the p out of Catholicism but it was only recently I discovered he was banned from Irish television.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

How do you know he insulted the religion? I know it was an RE class, what I wonder is the context in which the teacher used the cartoon.

I might be an RE teacher, hold up a cartoon of Jesus doing a wheelie on a BMX with him shouting 'BMX forever, oh YEAH!!!' and ask my class 'do we think this caricature of Jesus is acceptable? Let's have a debate.'

That's not insulting the religion.

It is 100% right that religions should be held up to investigation, study, debate, critical analysis, even ridicule. Just because person x believes in god y doesn't mean this can't be questioned and, in a free democratic society, picked apart by others.

To wish otherwise is to wish we lived in a one state dictatorship.

Is it right and proper to show a porno film in a sex education class?
Would it proper for a science teacher to show how explosives are made?
Would it proper for a metalwork teacher to teach how to make weapons?
Would it proper for a teacher to teach how to steal a car in a motoring DIY class?
Would it proper for a chemistry teacher to teach how to make fireworks or gunpowder?
There are numerous potential scenarios that any sensible teacher would think, is this teaching material justified? Should I consult my peers?

I would hope that a teacher who thought it might be educational to use questionable teaching materials would seek approval from his peers, not just go straight off on his own initiative.
This is clearly what happened in this instance, a RE teacher though it would be educational to show a cartoon that was known to be offensive to Muslims without seeking approval first.
Not much of a sensible RE teacher in my opinion.
Perhaps he was either too stupid, or had a motive.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Why are the religious not told to respect the views of those who don't believe the nonsense?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

who cares I say

he did all that years ago with his smile / snap caper in an attempt to intimidate

I see you find their behaviour funny. Others would consider their behaviour reprehensible.

But bigotry lives on.

 

[fillyboy]

I see you find their behaviour funny. Others would consider their behaviour reprehensible.

But bigotry lives on.

Overtime?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Himmagin has a break in his bath gets pinched

Spotted being paddled across the channel

So that's where he got to.
Glad you found him.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Is it right and proper to show a porno film in a sex education class?
Would it proper for a science teacher to show how explosives are made?
Would it proper for a metalwork teacher to teach how to make weapons?
Would it proper for a teacher to teach how to steal a car in a motoring DIY class?
Would it proper for a chemistry teacher to teach how to make fireworks or gunpowder?
There are numerous potential scenarios that any sensible teacher would think, is this teaching material justified? Should I consult my peers?

I would hope that a teacher who thought it might be educational to use questionable teaching materials would seek approval from his peers, not just go straight off on his own initiative.
This is clearly what happened in this instance, a RE teacher though it would be educational to show a cartoon that was known to be offensive to Muslims without seeking approval first.
Not much of a sensible RE teacher in my opinion.
Perhaps he was either too stupid, or had a motive.

Your analogies bear no correlation whatsoever to the reported story, I'd go as far as to say you completely miss my point. Therefore, I'll end my debate with you on this topic here.

 

[Trazor]

How do you know he insulted the religion?

Apparently, any image of Mohammed is deeply offensive to followers of Islam......

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Why are the religious not told to respect the views of those who don't believe the nonsense?

Why are atheists not told to respect the views of believers?
Why are the religious not told to respect the view of other religions?
Why are some taught bigotry?
Why do some promote bigotry?

I suggest it is because they have been taught their views since such a young age, they have internalised it to such an extent they are incapable of escaping its overwhelming and tenacious faith.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Your analogies bear no correlation whatsoever to the reported story, I'd go as far as to say you completely miss my point. Therefore, I'll end my debate with you on this topic here.

Suit yourself.
But you wanted to know in what context the cartoon was used.
It was a RE class.
It is a sensible assumption that it was used as teaching material.
My scenarios therefore apply. Some teaching material is acceptable, and some isn't.
This teacher lacked the capacity to know the difference.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Apparently, any image of Mohammed is deeply offensive to followers of Islam......

You would think a RE teacher would be aware of that.
Obviously some aren't.
I suggest he retrains.