Health Secretary

[securespark]

Steve Barclay, Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, says striking doctors are risking patient safety.

And the previous years of Tory rule didn't?

You couldn't make it up!

 

[Bod ...]

Steve Barclay, Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, says striking doctors are risking patient safety.

And the previous years of Tory rule didn't?

You couldn't make it up!

I think they are. Some should go bacl to work and practice being better at their job.

Spent alot of time with them in the last few years.
and I'm not making it up

 

[securespark]

Bod

Perhaps it's me, but I find what you have written is ambiguous.

Could you clarify?
Thanks.

 

[Bod ...]

Bod

Perhaps it's me, but I find what you have written is ambiguous.

Could you clarify?
Thanks.

When I get home tonight I'll give it a go

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

The NHS budget has only ever risen under the evil mean tories, by more than the rate of inflation (excluding a projected drop after the covid excesses)...

The NHS budget and how it has changed

What is the NHS budget and how is it funded? Find out in our nutshell.

www.kingsfund.org.uk

Junior doctors are not poor...

Pay for doctors

Doctors in training As a doctor in training you’ll earn a basic salary, plus pay for any hours over 40 per week, a 37 per cent enhancement for working nights, a weekend allowance for any work at the weekend, an availability allowance if you are required to be available on-call, and other...

www.healthcareers.nhs.uk

If you’re a doctor starting your specialist training in 2022 your basic salary will be £40,257 to £53,398.

There's lots of variation beyond that depending on speciality, but most qualified doctors earn somewhere around £100k basic salary (see linked article for details). Additional money can be earned on top. So they only have to "rough it" on a mere £50k for a short while before they start earning much more.

It's a weird kind of socialism where people are actually supporting very rich people to get even richer, all paid for by everyone else. Actually it's probably typical socialism, which is why it almost always ends in ruins.

 

[Tigercubrider]

Doctor shares payslip from second year in job to show why they are striking

Doctors across England are striking for four days over pay

www.ladbible.com

A couple of friends are now consultant level or retired but as junior doctors the hours and pay were brutal. By the standards of then, the conditions are way worse.
There was a doctor who moved to australia on radio four who described her Oz pay and conditions and compared them to the NHS.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

There was a doctor who moved to australia on radio four who described her Oz pay and conditions and compared them to the NHS.

This is the real problem. They get us to pay for their training then bugger off. Did they have to repay any of their training costs? Perhaps any rise needs to be tied to a contract where they have to repay a huge amount if they don't earn their keep with the NHS after training.

The rest of the world is doing very well from all the NHS training that we're all paying for.

 

[Tigercubrider]

We import more doctors than we train. The Government has restricted the number of medical school places for years.
currently the intake is 7,500. 37% of Doctors joining the GMC in the last figures I havE were trained outside the UK.

If the student loan company restrict their loans to only those who stay in the UK, or have a commitment to pay regardless, fine. But that is not the fault of the person taking out the loan.
For all we know, she did/does pay back? I have no idea.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Doctor shares payslip from second year in job to show why they are striking

Doctors across England are striking for four days over pay

www.ladbible.com

A couple of friends are now consultant level or retired but as junior doctors the hours and pay were brutal. By the standards of then, the conditions are way worse.
There was a doctor who moved to australia on radio four who described her Oz pay and conditions and compared them to the NHS.

£16.30 per hour for that level of responsibility and training .

The problem I think is that we are persuaded that all doctors earn the big money. No doubt a lot do after some years, but it's not the full picture.

 

[Tigercubrider]

Specialist training is after 4-7 years medical school (on a loan each year to pay the fees)
Then foundation training for 2 years.
After that you go to specialist training.

 

[gas112]

For over 30 years every couple of years we have heard about how horrendous it is to be a junior doctor doing stupid amount of hours for little pay .
So have they gone into it blind are they deaf to what has been in and on the news for decades .Its their choice of career then they moan about the conditions . Its like a miner saying he didnt realise he would be working under ground

 

[Loofah]

The NHS as a body is unable to enact meaningful change. There are far simpler processes they could implement but for some reason they refuse and they won;t standardise their approach in any one area so every Trust does things differently. They also have a nasty tendency to insist anyone they employ has previous NHS experience so learning better practises from outside the NHS is a non-starter.

Nothing to do with the ever-changing health secretary role.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

For over 30 years every couple of years we have heard about how horrendous it is to be a junior doctor doing stupid amount of hours for little pay .
So have they gone into it blind are they deaf to what has been in and on the news for decades .Its their choice of career then they moan about the conditions . Its like a miner saying he didnt realise he would be working under ground

True enough.

You don't mind who decides to choose this career and look after your health I guess. Not really mind if it attracts a certain type or not ?

 

[Brigadier]

True enough.

You don't mind who decides to choose this career and look after your health I guess. Not really mind if it attracts a certain type or not ?

Either you don't get Gas' point, or you're deliberately missing it.

It is not right that the Ts and Cs are not up to snuff, but ignorance of those Ts and Cs cannot reasonably be claimed.
IMHO.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Either you don't get Gas' point, or you're deliberately missing it.

It is not right that the Ts and Cs are not up to snuff, but ignorance of those Ts and Cs cannot reasonably be claimed.
IMHO.

I got it ok, and then looked at a bigger point too, maybe you missed that?

Do you think their Ts and Cs are better now than they were ?