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Now I'm completely lost, who is the best person to advise on the choice of boiler,
not the installer, not the services engineer, perhaps its a salesman.
A fully experienced heating engineer, not a plumber.
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A fully experienced heating engineer, not a plumber.
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A very honest man. I find that those who fit in, think they know as much as the designers - they are a world apart. As you did, you only follow what they say.
In domestic, you find the self employed plumber, or very small company, are way off when it comes to assessing modern systems, only going on what they have the biggest markup in, get most profit from and done by rule of thumb. The customers needs are way down the list.
In commercial, the system is designed by a properly educated and qualified engineer who aims to give the best deal for the customers "needs". The two are a world away.
But....makers knowing the extreme technical limitations of the domestic people, are attempting put all the design and thinking into one box, with carefully matched components for the greatest efficiency, heating and DHW delivery. Even something like weather compensation is inside the box and simple to setup. The "plumber" need not know too much about it, just connect it up.
All the installer has to do is simple stuff, like pipe and radiator sizing - even that they screw up as few have balanced hot and cold water systems. Few have a dedicated 22m pipe from cold mains stoptap to the combi. Few have shower mixers with pressure equalisers, putting in needless thermostatic mixers, when DHW temperature is constant from the combi.
In domestic, you find the self employed plumber, or very small company, are way off when it comes to assessing modern systems, only going on what they have the biggest markup in, get most profit from and done by rule of thumb. The customers needs are way down the list.
In commercial, the system is designed by a properly educated and qualified engineer who aims to give the best deal for the customers "needs". The two are a world away.
But....makers knowing the extreme technical limitations of the domestic people, are attempting put all the design and thinking into one box, with carefully matched components for the greatest efficiency, heating and DHW delivery. Even something like weather compensation is inside the box and simple to setup. The "plumber" need not know too much about it, just connect it up.
All the installer has to do is simple stuff, like pipe and radiator sizing - even that they screw up as few have balanced hot and cold water systems. Few have a dedicated 22m pipe from cold mains stoptap to the combi. Few have shower mixers with pressure equalisers, putting in needless thermostatic mixers, when DHW temperature is constant from the combi.
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You stereotype a whole trade in one paragraph, I and many others on this site are heating engineers NOT plumbers but you can't differentiate between the two.
What qualifications do you have that are relevant if any? You never answer these questions. I think you are a failed sales rep for Remeha and are trying to free advertise on this site.
Your lack of true understanding and practical applications of technology is quite obvious at times with very inappropriate and costly solutions to what are simple engineering problems
Pot calling the kettle black springs to mind . . . . .
What qualifications do you have that are relevant if any? You never answer these questions. I think you are a failed sales rep for Remeha and are trying to free advertise on this site.
Your lack of true understanding and practical applications of technology is quite obvious at times with very inappropriate and costly solutions to what are simple engineering problems
Pot calling the kettle black springs to mind . . . . .
So from the content of your posts it would be fair to assume that you are not a plumber, but in fact an heating engineer.
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I've yet to find a combi that you can truly say its a constant temp. on HW
I always design and install any heating system that I supply. Never had any problems yet with unhappy customers, but then I use real world experience to base my designs and recommendations on, not just info from a brochure or a web site
The biggest thing in designing any system, or deciding which type of boiler to recommend, is listening to the prospective customers needs, desires, lifestyle and hot water usage, then fit whats suits them, and them only.
I also go for reliability in a product rather than just fit the product which I can make the biggest profit from.
Once I have finished an installation I hope to only hear from a customer if they want an annual service, some more work done or as a recommendation to their friends and colleagues.
If they get a problem then of course I am always there to go and sort it out for them for the duration of the warranty, but I hope this will not happen as I don't want my customers inconvenienced with faulty boilers/systems anymore than I really want to have to go back to them FOC!
This has always worked for me and keeps me very busy. If I only fitted from what I read in a brochure then I doubt I would have full order books
The biggest thing in designing any system, or deciding which type of boiler to recommend, is listening to the prospective customers needs, desires, lifestyle and hot water usage, then fit whats suits them, and them only.
I also go for reliability in a product rather than just fit the product which I can make the biggest profit from.
Once I have finished an installation I hope to only hear from a customer if they want an annual service, some more work done or as a recommendation to their friends and colleagues.
If they get a problem then of course I am always there to go and sort it out for them for the duration of the warranty, but I hope this will not happen as I don't want my customers inconvenienced with faulty boilers/systems anymore than I really want to have to go back to them FOC!
This has always worked for me and keeps me very busy. If I only fitted from what I read in a brochure then I doubt I would have full order books
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You may be a heating fitter, not a heating engineer. You are also a poor fitter.
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You are getting there...and much more.
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Well fit quality combis.
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Oh No! The poor sods.
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dr drivel etc have you noticed how everyone thinks you a ***** on this site? Get the message.
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Only poorly educated and experienced bathroom changers prattle drivel. So contempt towards buffoons is ligit.
I did a search on Dr Drivel's posts and I am with with him all the way.
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BB, i can only presume by your constant use of the term Engineer that you hold a degree if not then you arent an Engineeer either your just the same as a fitter(a Technician)
The problem i've always found is that most engineers have the knowledge to design the wheel but on the other hand cant figure out how to hold the spanner to attatch it to the frame.
In an engineering industry a good technician is always needed to actually make things happen and put together the shortfalls in the design. Good technicians last forever, Engineers are 2 a penny, come and go and are never missed.
Lee
The problem i've always found is that most engineers have the knowledge to design the wheel but on the other hand cant figure out how to hold the spanner to attatch it to the frame.
In an engineering industry a good technician is always needed to actually make things happen and put together the shortfalls in the design. Good technicians last forever, Engineers are 2 a penny, come and go and are never missed.
Lee
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You got that right.
You found incorrectly.
Those on the tools are ten a penny. Good engineers are sought after and are tempted away constantly. You are so naive.
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