Adding a socket and 17th

[adwt2004]

So If i got an electrican in to add a socket in a room such as a kitchen and i only had mcbs they would have to do loads of other work just to add it such as changing an mcb for rcbo or if not then some other long winded solutions, running new circuit if needed etc etc. Is that really the rules these days?

I have to agree i find that ludicrous and i'm glad I know how to do it myself. Madness.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

How can you claim you know how to do it yourself if you don't know what the regulations are?

 

[adwt2004]

Don't wish to upset anyone so don't start your pretentious ranting at me please. I basically don't agree with what the regs say and if i want to add a socket to a ring protected by earth and mcb then i shall do it no matter what room it is in. If you don't agree that's fine, i don't expect any electrician to agree.

But it is my house so i shall do whatever i like and it is perfectly safe. I know how to do because i was taught by an electrician who would happily check anything i have done and give guidance as necessary which has happened when i've asked him.

Fortunately he has common sense unlike the regulation ranters that frequent here.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Please go away, and never return.

 

[adwt2004]

Lol, can think of quite a number who would think the same about you. Chances are if you get on my nerves you'll be getting on plently more peoples nerves. Remember this is a diy site, treat it as such or join a professional electrical forum.

 

[sm1thson]

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[rebuke]

But it is my house so i shall do whatever i like and it is perfectly safe.

I have two issues with that statement - firstly, you can't do 'whatever you like' in your house, you still have to comply with the law, and the building regulations are part of the law. It's like saying "It's my house so I can murder anybody who comes in" (ok, bad example as that's obviously different, but still). Regardless of breaking the law, increasingly solicitors are starting to ask for certificates etc for notifiable work, and as time goes on it will be harder and harder to lie and claim work was done before Part P came in etc...

Secondly, how do you know it is perfectly safe - just because it's how things used to be done doesn't necessarily mean it's safe, the regs are updated for a reason...

 

[adwt2004]

Fair point but i shall continue to diy in my house. And things are safe, an electrician happily inspects/tests what I have done so all is well there.

However i'm not going to continue discussing this here because there will be no resolvement. I believe things have gone over the top and electricians do use these nanny regulations to get work they wouldn't normally get. I can understand that and would do the same in the name of safety of course. But i will admit, I trust my own wiring and that of my friend (the electrician) compared to some electricians i've experienced in the past.

You state you must be competent all the time on this forum but just how competent are so called qualified electricians. I'm sure there are plenty good ones but there are just as many bad ones. Horses for courses.

 

[sm1thson]

F I believe things have gone over the top and electricians do use these nanny regulations to get work they wouldn't normally get.

it would be worth pointing out that BAS isnt an electrician. (neither am I).

 

[Spark123]

I'm not a domestic spark so stand to gain absolutely nothing by giving advice on here either.

 

[ricicle]

I'm not a domestic spark so stand to gain absolutely nothing by giving advice on here either.

Ditto

 

[ncoups]

What a disappointing outlook to have.
RCDs should be used to provide secondary protection to a well installed system, not to make shoddy wiring 'safe'.

I think you misunderstand what I was trying to say.

 

[CAWORK]

I basically don't agree with what the regs say

I did a topic regarding this myself last summer, on how I think some things are going a bit too far, even an electrical engineer (MIEIE) I knew some years back thought this way with the 16th.

http://www.diynot.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=139526

 

[Pensdown]

But it is my house so i shall do whatever i like and it is perfectly safe.

Because properties are bought and sold, think of yourself as the custodian rather than the owner. Yes, you can do what you like but it will probably have a detrimental effect on the price and ease of sale when you decide to move on.

I know how to do because i was taught by an electrician who would happily check anything i have done and give guidance as necessary which has happened when i've asked him.

His guidance maybe costing you more than you think.

Fortunately he has common sense unlike the regulation ranters that frequent here.

Whether or not we agree with the regulations is neither here nor there. The fact of matter is they exist and until they are amended they have to be worked to.

Maybe there should be a forum for people with your opinion where the posters offer guidance on the best way to bodge it.

 

[adwt2004]

See i agreed with most of what you said but then the bodge statement comes out. You know nothing about me and i you. If you are an electrician you are probably crap by all accounts. Now that's obviously an unproven statement so don't assume diy means bodge. Plenty qualified sparkies bodge.
One thing for sure, i won't be paying anyone an extortionate amount to fit a socket in my house. Something i can't do yes but certainly not a light or socket.