What Jobs would you LOVE to do?

[swidders]

A degree isn't a sign of intelligence. Far from it. I've never really understood why, since traditional aprrenticeships are virtually non-existent, there aren't degree couses in the trades. That would get the government's target of 50% attendance well and truly met, especially for the non-"academically" minded, whilst simultaneously providing a clear service.

Gas work, from what I've seen/heard/read is equally, if not more so, demanding intellectually than a lot of the degree courses that I've come across.

And yet, graduates look down upon these people who are far more capable of surviving in the "real" world.

 

[Blasphemous]

You bloody reading this Zampa?

 

[Homesafe]

i know enough people with degrees and the almost all work at supermarkets , and if a degree makes you clever then i'm Clint Eastwood,
educated fools more like ,they don't look down on me swidd.

they beg me to sort there boiler's for them

 

[swidders]

educated fools more like ,they don't look down on me swidd.

I do, you common oik

they beg me to sort there boiler's for them

Exactly - you should have a Bachelor of Gas degree available to you, which automatically adds you to the register of Corgi or it's forthcoming equivalent without you having to pay for the honour and other "nonsense" hoops you have to jump through at your own cost!

 

[Blasphemous]

Off topic swidders but, being 'qualified' to work with gas isn't a guarantee or indeed a certification of 'competence'. You can have someone with all the Gas Quals in the world but he/she might not have a clue how to fix ya boiler. That only comes with experience and confidence.

And stop calling newgas an oik you educated nit wit!

 

[Zampa]

You b****y reading this Zampa?

Nice to see differing views on it...but I really am a very slow learner..plus at 48 a change in career is a bit late...I would only do one now for myself..purely and simply for a personal sense of achievement, no other reason...but isnt pride one of the deadly sins?

15,000 word disitations!..I dont know that many words..and I'd only end up cheating!

I cant remember all of my old CSE marks..but maths and english were well underwater i.e..below C level!

Its always been a bit of a sore point with me and the mrs..she knows how much it wrankles me..but I beleive its far more important to except your limitations and live with them as opposed to assume your better than you are, start something your not capable of..then either fail it or jack it in.

 

[Zampa]

Doubled up..sorry.

 

[swidders]

Off topic swidders but, being 'qualified' to work with gas isn't a guarantee or indeed a certification of 'competence'. You can have someone with all the Gas Quals in the world but he/she might not have a clue how to fix ya boiler. That only comes with experience and confidence.

And stop calling newgas an oik you educated nit wit!

bah!

I agree about the experience and confidence, but the qualification I'm on about would be an apprenticeship for which you could get a student loan just like other degrees, which would provide you with enough knowledge and experience to make a reasonable start, based on the current standards of the day, without having to pay for it yourself through the current methods (offset commercial loans etc)

 

[Blasphemous]

You b****y reading this Zampa?

Nice to see differing views on it...but I really am a very slow learner..plus at 48 a change in career is a bit late...I would only do one now for myself..purely and simply for a personal sense of achievement, no other reason...but isnt pride one of the deadly sins?

15,000 word disitations!..I dont know that many words..and I'd only end up cheating!

I cant remember all of my old CSE marks..but maths and english were well underwater i.e..below C level!

Its always been a bit of a sore point with me and the mrs..she knows how much it wrankles me..but I beleive its far more important to except your limitations and live with them as opposed to assume your better than you are, start something your not capable of..then either fail it or jack it in.

How do you know your limitations if you haven't tried? School was a LONG time ago mate. You were young (obviously), and probably not that interested. That's no crime. I'd argue it's up to the teacher to make the subject interesting. I have a 5 year old and believe me Zampa, school today is NOTHING like it used to be. As for dissertations, what's not plagiarised is just a reflection of who et al said what and when.

Ahhh, go on!.... GO ON GO ON GO ON GO ON.....

 

[Blasphemous]

I agree about the experience and confidence, but the qualification I'm on about would be an apprenticeship for which you could get a student loan just like other degrees, which would provide you with enough knowledge and experience to make a reasonable start, based on the current standards of the day, without having to pay for it yourself through the current methods (offset commercial loans etc)

That sounds like a great idea... why didn't I think of that?.... Bit thick me!

 

[swidders]

I agree about the experience and confidence, but the qualification I'm on about would be an apprenticeship for which you could get a student loan just like other degrees, which would provide you with enough knowledge and experience to make a reasonable start, based on the current standards of the day, without having to pay for it yourself through the current methods (offset commercial loans etc)

That sounds like a great idea... why didn't I think of that?.... Bit thick me!

And the end result is you'd be awarded a degree!
Seems to me that currently you have plumbers who start off doing a CG course (GCSE level of ability), then practise these exact skills in order to get NVQ2 then move onto NVQ3 (A-level), before moving into a specialised profession of, say, gas. Takes 2-3 years to get even close to this stage.all of which is self-financed and not so easy to get "work-placements" especially nowadays. A degree takes...3 years! It all just seems an obvious and highly useful thing to do.

After graduating, like any professional, you keep up to date with the rules and regs and best practices. So why differentiate between the two?

Same for any other "trade" that I can think of.

 

[Blasphemous]

swidders for Prime Minister....nay, KING!

Joking aside swidders, I am ABSOLUTELY with you on that.

 

[swidders]

swidders for Prime Minister....nay, KING!

Joking aside swidders, I am ABSOLUTELY with you on that.

I'm on a roll now

Financially, it makes sense for the government to arrange for this, in every possible way.

Sorry to say, I was a secondary maths teacher for 15 years. There are always going to be students for whom GCSE "one size fits all" curriculum is of no relevance, subsequently of no interest, and beyond their grasp. But, politically (and financially) we want these students to stay on post-16. So we currently offer them a range of highly un-useful courses. We then want them to go on to higher education to do even more non-valuable courses, such as, say "The History of pre-War Hungarian Pottery". The end result is that we can claim that we have a high number of "educated" people to enter the workforce.( which can repay the cost of it all once they earn enough.)

To do what, exactly with their irrelevant skills?? Work at checkouts? Ponder over the limited spread of questions in University Challenge? Try to find a loan to retrain in a useful profession?!!!!!

It screams out to me! Two birds with one stone.
It makes me mad

 

[Blasphemous]

To do what, exactly with their irrelevant skills?? Work at checkouts? Ponder over the limited spread of questions in University Challenge? Try to find a loan to retrain in a useful profession?!!!!!

You devil you!

 

[swidders]

To do what, exactly with their irrelevant skills?? Work at checkouts? Ponder over the limited spread of questions in University Challenge? Try to find a loan to retrain in a useful profession?!!!!!

You devil you!

I like to sneak them in when I can