boiler scrappage scheme

[Deleted member 105431]

Anyone who says a new boiler wouldn't save them money/fuel is a luddite. The science/technology is well proven and although the amount saved will vary a 32 year old boiler is well past its best and it's heat exchanger will probably burst on christmas day; you won't be gloating then.

Fact is a top of the range modern boiler, correctly installed is very, reliable; I would expect the first 5 yrs to be fault free provided it's serviced correctly.

Do those with very old boilers still have balck and white tv's, single glazing, landlines but no mobile phone etc etc?

It's called progress I believe.

I'm saying if you put an identical sized boiler alongside mine, the gas consumption will be no better and must likely more.

please explain how a band a boiler would use more gas for the same heating load as your old boiler; I'm all ears.

 

[Deleted member 105431]

Anyone who says a new boiler wouldn't save them money/fuel is a luddite. The science/technology is well proven and although the amount saved will vary a 32 year old boiler is well past its best and it's heat exchanger will probably burst on christmas day; you won't be gloating then.

Fact is a top of the range modern boiler, correctly installed is very, reliable; I would expect the first 5 yrs to be fault free provided it's serviced correctly.

Do those with very old boilers still have balck and white tv's, single glazing, landlines but no mobile phone etc etc?

It's called progress I believe.

Luddites,lol the average lifespan of a new low-mid range boiler is 7 -10 years compared to old boilers lasting 20 -30 years, a top of the range boiler probably won't last a lot longer either & the cost of repairing older boilers is lower because they have far less complicated parts.

Presuming I have an old but working boiler explain how having a new boiler will 'save me money' If I have to lash out £2000 -£3000 +?

I would expect a good quality modern boiler to last 15 yrs, possibly more. Modern boilers are more complicated and generally more expensive to repair I would agree with that but a weather comp'd condensing boiler with modulating controls operates around 97% efficent compared to an old ideal e type on gravity of around 60/65% . Factor in energy prices rising over the next few years and do the maths. . . . .

 

[doitall]

Because a condensing boiler would be cycling on and off all day, whereas mine modulate right down to a simmer.

And before you ask the average differential across the flow/return is less than 10c.

Weather compensation, TRV's on all the rads except 2, and the room stat is set at 75f, down from a normal 80f, and on 24/7.

 

[Deleted member 105431]

Because a condensing boiler would be cycling on and off all day, whereas mine modulate right down to a simmer.

And before you ask the average differential across the flow/return is less than 10c.

Weather compensation, TRV's on all the rads except 2, and the room stat is set at 75f, down from a normal 80f, and on 24/7.

nonsense. if you fitted an atag and set the system up correctly then it would definately be more efficent. atags modulate 54kw down to 8kw. 5yr guarantee. 15yr service plan option for the idiot who said 7 yr boiler life earlier. what boiler do you have?

 

[doitall]

Servowarm elite, and it goes down a lot more than 5kw

 

[Deleted member 105431]

Servowarm elite, and it goes down a lot more than 5kw

so lets get this straight; a servowarm is more fuel efficent than a band a weather comp'd steamer like an atag for example? You are wrong.

 

[doitall]

Lets do some sums then.

Atag boiler with weather compensation say £3500.00 installed, or 10k if BG doitall.

Then let assume it's good for 10 years cost free, so that's £350.00 a year plus gas.

My gas bill for the last 5 years is £45 month and includes a lot of cooking, £540.00 year.

So forgetting the interest I would be loosing, my gas bill would have to be reduced to £190.00 to break even. and at least a £100.00 of that would be cooking.

 

[namsag]

Your also forgetting DIA you could leave yours for 10 years without servicing it could you do that with an Atag.

 

[doitall]

I was costing it as a general public job, not a doitall Diyer

 

[namsag]

So was i

 

[doitall]

Whatever, I would be at least £300 a year worse off, and have a boiler that's liable to break down any minute, maybe not it is an Atag, but if it was a Baxi, Potty, Vaillant, WB, or any of the run of the mill stuff, you would have to add at least £200.00 A year for a BG duster, and I haven't included a £500.00 powerflush.

 

[Deleted member 105431]

I said it would save you gas, I didn't say it would pay for itself although long term it may. Gas prices are set to rise way above inflation over the next 10 years as Britain imports more from abroad we'll be held to ransom.

fact is a servowarm elite is nowhere near as efficent as a band a even when not in condensing mode i.e return above 57 deg c.

 

[D_Hailsham]

Servowarm elite, and it goes down a lot more than 5kw

so lets get this straight; a servowarm is more fuel efficent than a band a weather comp'd steamer like an atag for example? You are wrong.

Sedbuk ratings for Servowarm Elite are 84-87.5%, i.e bands B and C, though DIA may have an older unlisted boiler.

A boiler is not like a mobile phone, ipod etc. where people change them because they want the latest model - and hang the cost. The only time when a new boiler is justified is when it is unrepairable or not cost effective to repair and the expense is unavoidable.

 

[doitall]

Precisely Dave, I would be at least £25-30 a month poorer, and that assumes the more complex, highly efficient, tin can don't go wrong in the next 10 years, which I think we all agree is highly unlikely.

 

[Deleted member 105431]

Precisely Dave, I would be at least £25-30 a month poorer, and that assumes the more complex, highly efficient, tin can don't go wrong in the next 10 years, which I think we all agree is highly unlikely.

but you still haven't explained how your servowarm is more efficent; that was what I was disputing because it is not.

I'm saying if you put an identical sized boiler alongside mine, the gas consumption will be no better and must likely more.