Testing a property

[jaguar1]

If a landlords property to be tested , should it be done to the 17th regardless of the age of the property ? And any work carried out to should that be done to the 17th as well or is the 16th sufficient ?

 

[sparkybird]

The testing is done to the edition to which the installation was installed eg if it was installed under the 16th, then it should comply with the 16th - the regs are not restrospective.

However, you should note as a code 4 (does not comply with current regs) where it does not - so for example no RCD protection for concealed cables/socket outets under normal person control etc.

Any NEW work you do HAS to comply with the 17th

Hope this helps

SB

 

[properleckie]

or 16th or 15th, or 14th or.......
Test to current standard, note non compliances due to regs changes as code 4's.
Any work done MUST be to latest standard, otherwise every thing will remain static and never brought up to date.
This is one of the fundamental points of doing a PIR surely,

 

[Spark123]

Yup, for a PIR you are comparing it to todays standard i.e. 17th edition.

Only an installation which was designed and installed under the 16th edition (how long ago was that??) can have an EIC signed off to it. Unless you are undertaking a project the size of the channel tunnel then you may struggle to justify it

 

[GaryMo]

The testing is done to the edition to which the installation was installed eg if it was installed under the 16th, then it should comply with the 16th - the regs are not restrospective.

However, you should note as a code 4 (does not comply with current regs) where it does not - so for example no RCD protection for concealed cables/socket outets under normal person control etc.

Any NEW work you do HAS to comply with the 17th

Hope this helps

SB

The installation should be compared against the CURRENT edition of BS7671, not an outdated version!

 

[RF Lighting]

Otherwise we'd still be signing off water pipes for main earths, fused neutrals and dogs dicks on lead cable as compliant....

 

[holmslaw]

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[Taylortwocities]

Always a worthwhile read ESC Best Practise Guide PIRs

 

[sparkybird]

Yes, but I see PIR's which are marked unsatisfactory as they don't comply with 17th, but they did comply with regs when installed (eg no RCD protection for concealed cables) - which is incorrect.

I find it more helpful to see it in terms of did it comply on installation? What doesn't comply now? (code 4).

Obviously if electrics have been installed during the period of the 17th, then they should comply with this edition of the regs.

Sorry for any confusion to the OP - unintentional

SB

PS I also find the ESC Guide really helpful and keep a copy with my PIR certs

 

[GaryMo]

It doesn't matter what you see, only what you do.
If you're carrying out PIR's then you should be aware which standard you're comparing the installation to.
Forget all previous editions of the wiring regulations or BS7671, BS7671:2008 is the only standard you should be comparing to.

 

[GaryMo]

I find it more helpful to see it in terms of did it comply on installation? What doesn't comply now? (code 4).

That's also not the reason for a code 4.
A code 4 means the observation noted doesn't comply with BS7671:2008 though does not imply that the electrical installation inspected is unsafe as a result.

It's down to you as an experienced inspector to decide what is and what isn't dangerous and maybe your Professional Indemnity insurance to bail you out should you get it wrong.

 

[Chri5]

Could someone post up the PIR template / form. I did have it, but that was on the defunct chri5 PC hard drive that chattered itself to death.

 

[GaryMo]

Here you go....

http://www.theiet.org/publishing/wiring-regulations/forms/formspdf6.cfm?type=pdf