replace boiler

[joe-90]

I just want to know why you are all ashamed to say how much you charge on an hourly basis. Let's say a boiler swap done in 8 hours. What would you charge?

Nothing wrong with that. All you have to do is **** off and find a forum where you can discuss it. People here give advice about plumbing & heating. You don't, though you've made thousands of posts. If recent ones are anything to go by, they're either all about charges or contain more sh*t than the world's Dung Beetle population can cope with.

When the argument is lost - the abuse begins.

 

[joe-90]

joe-90

If i charge 5k to a customer an she excepts that price how is that ripping them off you stupid ****?

i do not charge hourly rate, why should i? i charge what i want profit for doing it if they dont want it fine no problem il play me xbox instead.

now **** off

my mate however does work on hourly rate an drags his heels just like the lying **** mechanics, he charges £98.25 per hour £108 for the first
is that ok like? d**k

When the argument is lost the abuse begins.

 

[Tibbot]

When the argument is lost the abuse begins.

That's your best attempt, because you're too thick to argue a case.

 

[joe-90]

When the argument is lost the abuse begins.

That's your best attempt, because you're too thick to argue a case.

I'm not too thick to argue; far from it. However, I won't talk across the Internet to anyone that refuses to talk to me as they would face-to-face. You don't swear at people in the street or over the phone do you?

 

[Tibbot]

I'm not too thick to argue; far from it. However, I won't talk across the Internet to anyone that refuses to talk to me as they would face-to-face. You don't swear at people in the street or over the phone do you?

That's because I don't have to deal with anyone as ignorant and narrow minded as you.

PS. Don't just single me out - replies to your posts, on various sections of the forum, are riddled with abuse from others who've reached the same conclusion about you, based on what you write.

 

[Tibbot]

I'm not too thick to argue; far from it.

I'll continue without swear words then.

You don't give advice about plumbing & heating.
You don't ask questions about plumbing & heating.

You have no function here, just an intent to pick arguments you haven't the intellect to sustain.

 

[jimhet]

No problem with what RGIs charge for fitting new boilers etc,[supply and demand] there's nothing to stop OP getting half a dozen estimates beforehand, but what sticks in the craw is we are told that gas boilers are so hi-tec, complicated and dangerous to install, yet it is still not compulsory for all new installations to be checked/tested and passed by anyone other than the person that installed it.[ except in the not uncommon event of an RGI signing off a non RGI install for somewhere between £200 and £300] Gas Safe generally only inspect when asked by the customer and most customers [99%]would not know a dodgy install if it were to jump up and bite them.

 

[silverback18]

The simple solution to the OP's question is, Don't ask on here if the price seems ok, no one can answer that, we cannot see the job so it is impossible to answer a question on whether the price is fair or not, get a minimum of three quotes and then decide for yourself

 

[Nige F]

Don`t know wether to or @ these frequent rants of heating engineers- All it says to me is 1 the big firms get the work 2 the media constantly feed the public with Rip Off scares 3 This country is a damned sight deeper in recession than anyone admits . All this bickering is just a symptom of the disease -That is my diagnosis. I`ve just recieved my honorary Doctorate from the web .

 

[bengasman]

It's not what is charged, it's what is profit.joe, sometimes you need to be silent

Their hourly labour rate IS their profit.

This remark is about as ignorant as they come, Joe. It is so bad it might even ruin your chances for the prize for Brain of Britain.

From the labour charges are deducted:

Courses and assessments that are required to keep your license.
Marketing and advertising to get the job.
Mail, email and phone costs to get the job.
Tools you need to do the job.
Transport to get there.
Compulsory insurance.
A variety of taxes, being direct, indirect or stealth.
Losses from theft, fraud and other crime.
And..., and,... and

 

[fushionjulz]

There is a difference between net and gross profit, though...

Most of the things you list are overheads so affect the net profit figure...

However, virtually everyone who works in a mobile trade or as a self-employed person/small business has these overheads...
A lot are tax-deductable (the tools, training. transport, insurance, etc) so aren't true (total) costs in any case...

 

[bengasman]

There is a difference between net and gross profit, though...
Most of the things you list are overheads so affect the net profit figure...
However, virtually everyone who works in a mobile trade or as a self-employed person/small business has these overheads...
A lot are tax-deductable (the tools, training. transport, insurance, etc) so aren't true (total) costs in any case...

No shit Sherlock.
If you take the time to read and understand the posts, you would notice that Joe thinks our hourly labour rate is the same as profit.

Your failing to pick that up makes it rather evident you are no expert at running a business yourself either.

 

[fushionjulz]

not that bright yourself, mucker...

if you deduct all those things from an hourly rate, and then claim them back as tax relief, you've earnt yourself a bigger profit than you are stating...

 

[joe-90]

If you take the time to read and understand the posts, you would notice that Joe thinks our hourly labour rate is the same as profit.

Your failing to pick that up makes it rather evident you are no expert at running a business yourself either.

Well actually I've been self employed for almost 30 years - and still am today.

On a daily basis your overheads are nothing more than loose change.

Answer me this:

You have a combi boiler swap. The average price quoted on this forum is around £2K. The average boiler being quoted for is around £750.

That leaves £1250 for a days work (and a short day at that).

So how much of that £1250 is taken up by overheads? Well? Travel? (A few pence). Insurance? (a few pence). Depreciation on tools? (A few pence) Come on, give us the low-down.

 

[bengasman]

1. I can't speak for others, but a boiler swap tends to take me a lot more time then a short day's work. Leaving out the (very) odd exception where everything is perfect, it takes a lot more than boiler off, boiler on the wall.
2. It really makes no difference whatsoever if the overheads account for 10p and hour or 10 pound an hour; the fact remains that there is an amount of money that stands between profit and turnover.
3. Your latest burp proves that my statement was correct: although it is theoretically possible that you run your own business, but you surely are no expert at understanding business principals.