Certification
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What sort of certificate, and what sort of premises?
What sort of certificate, and what sort of premises?
If it's an old installation, it's up to the electrician who is doing the report to chose how long they think is a suitable time for the next test date.
Indeed, but that doesn't mean that the original certificate 'expires' on any particular date. It always will (hopefully) accurately reflect the state of the installation on the day it was issued - no more and no less than that.
Kind Regards, John.
Can not agree more.
It will give you a good guideline to the health of the installation at that time and an informative date given to for next inspection/test is most welcome!
It will give you a good guideline to the health of the installation at that time and an informative date given to for next inspection/test is most welcome!
Until Frank Spencer takes a spur from a 2.5mm T&E for a shower and the rats eat the lighting circuit
Actually read that wrong, you said on the day, as read it as the cert should last for ever as the installation will be good as the day it was installed. I need my sleep, I better sleep or I will start dreaming about busbars
Exactly - and that could be the day after the cert was issuedUntil Frank Spencer takes a spur from a 2.5mm T&E for a shower and the rats eat the lighting circuit
No, I didn't say or mean that. Yes, the cert will last for ever, and will be everlasting evidence of what condition the installation was in on the day the cert was issued - but can give no guarantees as to what happened to the installation after that date. Just think of an MOT certificate - it's exactly the same. ... or even an exam certificate - lasts for ever, and is evidence of what you knew on the day you sat the exam, but no guarantee that you still remembered any of it the next day, let alone 20 years later
Kind Regards, John.
What do you or he think will happen the day after that 5 years comes to an end? As I've said the cert will still indicate what condition the installation was in on the day the certificate was issued, even 30 years down the line. If he's suggesting that his rewire is likely to become unsatisfactory in 5 years, then maybe you're talking to the wrong electrician (I seem to recall you described him as 'cheap',didn't you?
).Kidn Regards, John.
To the OP, the wiring in this house is 31 years old, and one circuit is 40 years old (but in PVC) and it still works fine. No doubt there are problems with it but probably nothing which would be considered dangerous.
Your spark is probably just saying it will need testing again in five years, but that doesn't give me much confidence in him.
Your spark is probably just saying it will need testing again in five years, but that doesn't give me much confidence in him.
Normally it's down to the person who designed the installation to state a satisfactory date for the next inspection and test.
Of course the person designing the installation could be the same person that is installing and inspecting and testing it.
For a domestic installation five years is about half what you should be getting.
It is obvious the electrician is either not that confident in his own work or is already planning potential work, five years in advance.
If it had been a periodic inspection report the next test date can vary on them those installations are of different ages and condition and the electrician would make that decision own what he has seen and tested.
I think the point John is making, is that the results and information given on the certificate at the moment it was signed and passed over to you, is how that system was at that moment. 1 day or 5, 10, 15 years it could be very different, allowance for wear and tear, damage and any additional/alterations done to the system will change them.
For example I did a rewire not so long ago. Completed the installation passed over all the relevant documentation, then the house owner decided they wanted two more external lights, so the certificate I handed over though important, was not going to be true of the installation once I had done the additional work. I know a second certificate whether being minor works or an EIC should be issued but how many times does that not happen, when DIY Dave gets his tool kit out?
Quite.
Sure, but that 'next test date' is just a recommendation and, in response to the OP's original question, does not mean that the certificate in some way 'expires' on that date.
Indeed - not to mention the fact that in 5 or more years time, perfectly satisfactory (and 'compliant') work undertaken today may be non-compliant with the prevailing regulations. Although that should not matter, it could result in comments on a PIR/ EICR which might be 'off-putting' to some (e.g. prospective house buyers).
Kind Regards, John.
I issue 10 year certs on my rewired installation, just out of interest were do you live?
By rights when a change of occupancy occurs, a PIR should be done anyway.
Mind you, more chance of Hereford and Hampshire having hurricanes!
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