Kids first of course but it can't be right if a seventy year old woman on a sinking ship gets preference over a 19 or 20 year old lad who's just starting his life.
Women and children first
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Surely a better way would be to evacuate people as family units.?
With women and children first, by the time all the faffing is done - seperating families - valuable seconds, minutes have been lost, and you have a boat full of orphaned children and widowed women.
With women and children first, by the time all the faffing is done - seperating families - valuable seconds, minutes have been lost, and you have a boat full of orphaned children and widowed women.
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if the captin has gone then its the surivel of the fittest
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But if the captain does his duty and stays to supervise the evacuation, but then realises that there aren't enough lifeboats. Who does he decide gets the available places?
If what they say about sailor boys is right that's a good question. 
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]This tragedy will hopefully bring about a change in how these events are dealt with.
Firstly that a Safety Drill is shown/carried out BEFORE they set sail anywhere.
Secondly, the Titanic (the most famous passenger vessel to have sunk, I'm aware there were vessels before and after), hit an Iceberg on 14/04/1912.
So in April this year, it will have been 100 years since that tragic event and yet still large passenger vessels are allowed to go to sea without enough Life Boats for all passengers. I understand that the capacity of these vessels is so massive that having enough life boats is not possible but apart from life belts, what 'other' means of life preservation do these boats carry?
Surely a large stock of inflatable emergency life preserving rafts could be incorporated into the design of these vessels? Designed in such a way that they deploy into the sea if the ship lists, begins to sink, can be manually deployed.
Firstly that a Safety Drill is shown/carried out BEFORE they set sail anywhere.
Secondly, the Titanic (the most famous passenger vessel to have sunk, I'm aware there were vessels before and after), hit an Iceberg on 14/04/1912.
So in April this year, it will have been 100 years since that tragic event and yet still large passenger vessels are allowed to go to sea without enough Life Boats for all passengers. I understand that the capacity of these vessels is so massive that having enough life boats is not possible but apart from life belts, what 'other' means of life preservation do these boats carry?
Surely a large stock of inflatable emergency life preserving rafts could be incorporated into the design of these vessels? Designed in such a way that they deploy into the sea if the ship lists, begins to sink, can be manually deployed.
I haven't read anything in detail about the cruise ship but have heard about it generally in the news. Just wondered, of the people that died (11 was the last total I heard?) were these people who couldn't get in a lifeboat, or were these people who got trapped inside the ship somewhere? Therefore even if there were enough lifeboats for everyone on board, that wouldn't have prevented them losing their lives.
I heard that one of those that died was one of the musicians who got to the lifeboats but went back for his violin - i'm not sure there's any precauations you can put in place to stop people who do things like that from losing their lives?
I heard that one of those that died was one of the musicians who got to the lifeboats but went back for his violin - i'm not sure there's any precauations you can put in place to stop people who do things like that from losing their lives?
I wasn't specifically referring to the concordia, but to the now topical and generally accepted concept of women and children first in accidents at sea.
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Susiejb
Its one of those really hard questions to answer sooey....I would like to think that I could be 'noble' and having lived well over half my life give it up to someone younger...but self preservation is a really strong thing and faced with drowning....it would just be an awful decision to make.
I am sure that rules and regulations will be tightened...maybe things had become a bit complacent and we all thought it will never happen on a modern ship.
I am sure that rules and regulations will be tightened...maybe things had become a bit complacent and we all thought it will never happen on a modern ship.
As you say susie, it's a really hard thing to make decisions on, and no one really knows how they would react in that situation unless they've been there.
But the present generally accepted concept of women before men is not right, not in the example given anyway. I don't pretend to have a better answer but age should be taken into account.
Or to put it bluntly old people of whatever sex should be last on the list.
But the present generally accepted concept of women before men is not right, not in the example given anyway. I don't pretend to have a better answer but age should be taken into account.
Or to put it bluntly old people of whatever sex should be last on the list.
But then.......
What would your personal choice be, if it was between a lovely old girl of seventy (worked hard all her life), or a 19/20 year old convicted, looting, thieving, burgling scumbag.
How gutted would you be when you found out, leaving the old girl on board to save that waste of skin.
What would your personal choice be, if it was between a lovely old girl of seventy (worked hard all her life), or a 19/20 year old convicted, looting, thieving, burgling scumbag.
How gutted would you be when you found out, leaving the old girl on board to save that waste of skin.
That's a very specific example, and I'd agree with you on that one. But at the moment in the sinking ship situation we have this "convention" which almost compels any young man regardless of character to stand aside for any woman regardless of hers. If not and he survives, questions and ridicule would probably be heaped upon him.
I was going by your OP scenario.
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