Switched Live doesn't affect Extractor Fan

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Hi all - hope you can help me with this query. I'm not a sparky, but reasonably competent at diy.

I had a humidistat extract fan in the bathroom (model EV 4HT), which developed a fault in that the motor was working intermittently (went on and off every couple of seconds). The fan was about 5 years old maybe. Anyway, I got a replacement fan, and thought it would be easy enough to just replace and wire it exactly as before.

So I did this, and the fan works fine, without that intermittent motor problem. However, the fan used to come on when the light came on, and then go off a minute or two after the light was switched off. NOW, the fan runs all the time, regardless of what the light switch is set to.

There is a on/off switch for the extractor fan itself, and the fan comes on when that switch is on, and goes off when that switch is off. The wiring is 3 core plus earth, and with a tester I can see that the switched live (yellow) is delivering current only when the light is on. I thought maybe there was a fault with the replacement fan, so as an experiment I put in the old fan again, it it too showed the same symptoms (ignores state of switched live).

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A couple of additional notes. I have put some sleeving around the earth, and tried as best I can to shove it into the clear plastic (terminal block?) thing that looks like a small telephone plug that hopefully you can see in the attached photo. I have also adjusted the two controls (one of humidity level and one for duration) in every direction to see if it had any affect (it didn't). Finally, the limited documentation that comes with the fan suggests it has two modes (automatic, based on humidity level, and manual, based off the switched live) - I can see no way to switch between the two modes, nor indication in the documentation.

SO - any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Many thanks in advance.

David.
 
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Did you change the lamp for an energy saving lamp about the time the problem started ?

The majority of fans rely on the switched live becoming "neutral" via the filament of an incandescent lamp in order to know the lamp is off.

Energy savers do not provide that path to neutral and the switched live floats at a voltage somewhere between live and neutral and this confuses the fan.
 
Come on.

Did you change the lamp for an energy saving lamp about the time the problem started ?
What difference would that make?
The fan doesn't 'know' whether the light is on, off, bulb present and good, bulb present and blown, bulb absent, or the ceiling rose is being used for an iron.

The majority of fans rely on the switched live becoming "neutral" via the filament of an incandescent lamp in order to know the lamp is off.
Nonsense.

Energy savers do not provide that path to neutral and the switched live floats at a voltage somewhere between live and neutral and this confuses the fan.
Nonsense.
 
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The model number of the replacement fan is the same as the original - EV 4HT (EMCOGroup). No bulb was changed, of course :)

Thanks,
David.
 
From EMCOGroup EV 4HT page

Product Code: EV 4HT
Availability: In Stock
Spec Sheet: Unavailable! EV 4HT
Photometric Data: Unavailable

Very helpful!! :D
 
I can't see anything wrong.

All I can suggest is -

Remove the switched live (and terminate safely) and set humidistat to maximum.
Assuming it is not VERY humid, the fan should not work at all.

If it still does the same I can only deduce that it is faulty but that doesn't explain the old fan doing the same.
 
Thanks, I'm happy to try that - can you suggest a simple part (maybe via a link.?) that I can use to safely terminate the switched live? I will let you know the result of course. I appreciate your feedback anyway.
David.
 
Humidity fans can be a right PITA. But back to basics

First,
Make sure that you have the right wires in the correct terminals. Make absolutely sure that
red is permanent live
blue really is neutral and yellow is switched live (if that is what you think you started with)

Not sure what you used for testing but you'll need a proper test meter or two probe voltage indicator to do this; oh and by the way, you will be testing for VOLTAGE and not
 
Did you change the lamp for an energy saving lamp about the time the problem started ?

The majority of fans rely on the switched live becoming "neutral" via the filament of an incandescent lamp in order to know the lamp is off.

Energy savers do not provide that path to neutral and the switched live floats at a voltage somewhere between live and neutral and this confuses the fan.

What the hell :eek:
 
What the hell :eek:

And your contribution is.........what, exactly?

Irrelevant snipe at me, just because you don't like me or are protecting your online friend. Very cute.

The reason I posted that is I were utterly shocked at that statement.

I guess as useful as your post to me.

Keep off and get back onto the topic.

But whilst we're sniping

Humidity fans can be a right PITA.

Utter nonsense. Humitstat fans are simple. Fitted loads myself and have one myself and never had any problems.

Most people are just clueless regarding relative humidity and how to set them.
 
As you know the capacitive coupling in the cable between live and switched live in a lighting circuit can transfer enough energy from live to switched live to make a compact flourescent lamp to flicker or an LED to glow dimly.

That same principle applies to a switched live feeding the timer control in a fan.
 
One question guys - there is nowhere for me to connect the earth wire to from the 3 core+earth cable, so I've (poorly) tried to reconnect the earth into that clear plastic piece in the photo - the one that looks like a telephone plug, and that was already attached to the earth with the previous fan.

THAT wouldn't have any impact, would it? I mean, does that earth wire have to have anything special done to it in order for the switched live to take effect?

Apologies for the ignorant question, and thanks again for the comments coming through - appreciate all your help.
 

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