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17th edition inc 3rd amendment update
I hope you didn't pay too much for the "3rd amendment update", since they appear to have misinformed you about the impact (which is actually none) of the 3rd amendment on requirements for notification of electrical work in England.

Kind Regards, John

Are consumer units notifiable?
 
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Are you saying youve only just done your 17th then, when most here done it years ago.
Afaik you were not a qualified electrician unles you HAD the 17th
 
Are consumer units notifiable?
Well, no 'objects' are notifiable, but as I am sure (at least, hope) you know, replacement of a CU is notifiable.

Strictly speaking, in view of the poor wording of the legislation, installation of a new CU (i.e. not replacing an existing one) is not notifiable in England (although it remains notifiable in Wales) - although, in practice, it would usually (but not inevitably) be difficult to do that without creating 'new circuits' (which would make the job as a whole notifiable).

What exactly was the point of your question?

Kind Regards, John
 
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Essex1
Are you saying youve only just done your 17th then, when most here done it years ago.
Afaik you were not a qualified electrician unles you HAD the 17th

Yes I had that a long time ago. Done the update in Janurary.
 
Are consumer units notifiable?
Well, no 'objects' are notifiable, but as I am sure (at least, hope) you know, replacement of a CU is notifiable.

Strictly speaking, in view of the poor wording of the legislation, installation of a new CU (i.e. not replacing an existing one) is not notifiable in England (although it remains notifiable in Wales) - although, in practice, it would usually (but not inevitably) be difficult to do that without creating 'new circuits' (which would make the job as a whole notifiable).

What exactly was the point of your question?

Kind Regards, John

You said that amendment 3 has no impact on notifiable work. Well considering the major change in consumer units needing to be non-combustible I would say that amendment 3 has direct consequences.
 
That has nothing to do with notification.


As you are new here, do you know what "non-combustible" means in the case of the new regulations?
NO one else does.
 
You said that amendment 3 has no impact on notifiable work. Well considering the major change in consumer units needing to be non-combustible I would say that amendment 3 has direct consequences.
I'm beginning to wonder whether you can read. I said that Amd3 (or, come to that, any other version or amendment of BS7671) has no impact on "requirements for notification" - which it certainly doesn't. Only the law (the appropriate clauses of the Building Regulations) determine the requirements for notification - which is a legal, not an electrical, matter.

Kind Regards, John
 
As you are new here, do you know what "non-combustible" means in the case of the new regulations? NO one else does.
If he didn't know before, one hope that his "Amd3 update" will have taught him! ... so, as you imply, we must all wait with bated breath for him to educate us all!

Kind Regards, John
 
That has nothing to do with notification.


As you are new here, do you know what "non-combustible" means in the case of the new regulations?
NO one else does.

I am aware of some silly people that cannot open a dictionary.

adjective
made of material that does not burn if exposed to fire; incombustible.
 
As you are new here, do you know what "non-combustible" means in the case of the new regulations? NO one else does.
If he didn't know before, one hope that his "Amd3 update" will have taught him! ... so, as you imply, we must all wait with bated breath for him to educate us all!

Kind Regards, John

With respect you have no qualifications or experience (by your own admittance).
 
I am aware of some silly people that cannot open a dictionary.
adjective
made of material that does not burn if exposed to fire; incombustible.
Oh dear - if only it were as simple as that. Are you just naive, or what?

The main question is whether passing the "non-combustible" test of BS EN 61439-3 (as required by 421.1.201) (but which obviously does not mean 'totally unable to burn if exposed to fire') is enough to satisfy 421.1.201 and, if so, why they have bothered to include 421.1.201(i)? ... and, if not, what on earth is the requirement, if it goes beyond what is required by the Standard?

Kind Regards, John
 
As you are new here, do you know what "non-combustible" means in the case of the new regulations? NO one else does.
If he didn't know before, one hope that his "Amd3 update" will have taught him! ... so, as you imply, we must all wait with bated breath for him to educate us all!

Kind Regards, John

With respect you have no qualifications or experience (by your own admittance).

Your arrogance really knows no bounds, does it? John is without a doubt one of the most knowledgeable, helpful and reasonable people on this forum. Quite the opposite from you, in fact.
 
With respect you have no qualifications or experience (by your own admittance).
So what? I appear to have a better understanding of some aspects of the regulations and of the legal requirements for notification than some people who do have 'qualifications and experience'. As you recently agreed yourself, people have to be judged by what they know and say, not by their paper qualifications or 'background'.

Kind Regards, John
 

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