electrical certificates

[Taylortwocities]

if she cannot get a certificate from this electrician, who should she complain to and what company would list the names of certified electricians?

All registered electricians are listed here. You should be able to find the electrician on that site and also it will tell you which CPS scheme he/she belongs to. You can direct any query/complaint to them.

PS Try and locate any agreement, quote, contract, etc that was given to the client by the electrician.

 

[ericmark]

1.19 comes under a. Where the installer is registered with a Part P competent person self-certification scheme. Under b. the certificate is to be given to the building control body. Under 1.23 it does not state who the completion certificate should be issued to. Under c. it states 1.27 A building control body will not issue a BS 7671 installation certificate but only a completion certificate. Again it does not say who the LABC should issue the certificate to.

In my case the completion certificate was sent to my dad's house. It took some time well over 30 days. As the electrician doing the work I was never informed as to if the installation certificate was accepted or not. Neither was I told when I could start work or turn on the power. It was some 6 months latter I found the completion certificate has been sent to my dad.

As to if there had been errors who they would have contacted I don't know. But I commented to my son if they hadn't arrived due to paperwork going astray we would be unaware.

I was rather surprised I would have expected a permit to work. I just happened to be at my dads when the inspector arrived all we got was a verbal go ahead as the electrician there was no direct contact required between myself and building inspector. So it transpired if I was to do a second job for same council i.e. they had already verified my qualifications then all I would get is a verbal go ahead from client and I would give installation certificate to client who would in turn pass it to LABC.

This to me is a problem as if the home owner or his agent has not ticked the box for electrics then the electrician would never know. He should of course issue the installation certificate to person ordering the work which would be likely the builder. If the builder has not informed LABC the first you know about it is when you contact the LABC in my case when I went there to explain I was taking over the job. Only then did we find the builder had not registered the work.

As I said before the LABC inspector made it very plain it was the owner who unless a scheme member is used who is responsible for informing the LABC, the builder may do it for the owner, but the owner is responsible to ensure it's done. Once you ask the LABC there is no going back. You can't say never mind I'll break the law. In Wales the assembly fixes the fee, in England the council fixes the fee and it does vary. On this forum one guy did involve the council and it cost him around £350 to get it sorted.

If you are certain the work was done by a scheme member then great. But other wise be very careful you could cost the lady a lot of money.

 

[JohnW2]

1.19 comes under a. Where the installer is registered with a Part P competent person self-certification scheme. Under b. the certificate is to be given to the building control body. Under 1.23 it does not state who the completion certificate should be issued to. Under c. it states 1.27 A building control body will not issue a BS 7671 installation certificate but only a completion certificate. Again it does not say who the LABC should issue the certificate to.

Fair enough, but in England that uncertainty has now been removed. In England, your (b) and (c) are now effectively combined, and it says explicitly that, in those situations, the building control body will issue a completion certificate to the occupier.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

EICs and BR completion certificates are, and always have been, two separate things.

The electrician gives the EIC to the person who commissioned the work. Absolutely nothing to do with Building Control.

IF the work was notifiable he tells BC about it, and certifies to them that it complied with the Building Regulations. LABC then issue a completion certificate to the owner. Absolutely nothing to do with the EIC.

 

[JohnW2]

got posted before I finished it, and edit won't let me do 'multiquotes'!

 

[JohnW2]

Second time lucky, I hope ....

EICs and BR completion certificates are, and always have been, two separate things. The electrician gives the EIC to the person who commissioned the work. Absolutely nothing to do with Building Control.

Indeed so, on all counts.

IF the work was notifiable he tells BC about it, and certifies to them that it complied with the Building Regulations. LABC then issue a completion certificate to the owner. Absolutely nothing to do with the EIC.

Again, indeed. However, as for your IF, given ....

... and has had most of the house rewired

... I think that most of us are 'assuming' (yes, I know!) that the work probably was notifiable, in which case the fact that the occupier has not received a Completion Certificate presumably means that the work was not notified. If that's the case, then the absence of notification is probably more of a potential concern to the occupier than is the absence of an EIC.

Kind Regards, John

 

[PBC_1966]

I was rather surprised I would have expected a permit to work.

Unless there have been some pretty drastic changes in the system since I left the U.K., there's no such thing as a permit. The law doesn't require that you obtain permission to do the job, as there's no provision for a local authority to prevent it. You're merely required to notify building control that you intend to do certain work (if not registered under an appropriate scheme) or notify them that work has been carried out (if you are registered).

 

[ericmark]

IF the work was notifiable he tells BC about it, and certifies to them that it complied with the Building Regulations. LABC then issue a completion certificate to the owner. Absolutely nothing to do with the EIC.

It has a lot to do with EIC the BC need the EIC before they will issue a completion certificate, only scheme members can tell BC it is completed without supplying some documentation to say the work has been inspected and tested.

Second time lucky, I hope ....Indeed so, on all counts.
Again, indeed. However, as for your IF, given ....
... I think that most of us are 'assuming' (yes, I know!) that the work probably was notifiable, in which case the fact that the occupier has not received a Completion Certificate presumably means that the work was not notified. If that's the case, then the absence of notification is probably more of a potential concern to the occupier than is the absence of an EIC.

I missed the "most" bit. I suppose renewing one cable at a time, and avoiding bathroom, and not changing the consumer unit, then one could rewire "most" of the house without involving English LABC.

To be frank I have looked at the paperwork supplied to my mother for various works done in the house. Consumer unit already changed, Kitchen rewired, bathroom rewired, plus other odds and sods so really to complete the rewire there is nothing requiring LABC notification if done one circuit at a time. I would however need LABC involvement as I don't like consumer unit under the stairs. But since I signed the original paperwork for existing consumer unit I could cheat and move it without telling LABC and unless I tell some one there is no way anyone would know.

If however some one with best intentions started asking questions then it could end up with bills to get paperwork which frankly was not required.

So if there is something wrong with the installation then clearly one has to get it corrected, but if only paper work is missing then one needs to tread careful. Had I gone back to the builders direct and pushed them maybe I would have got something. As it was the LABC in essence closed the firm down so there was then no chance of getting anything from the firm.

The only real problem with the work the builder did was using out of date tile cement which would not set and not renewing a lintel over a door they moved. This was completely missed by the LABC inspector so really there was no point in getting them involved. Having a lintel only supported on one side is rather a major fault, if they can't spot that then why involve them?