Who would you bet on?

[Doggit]

The young are always idealistic, but invariably inexperienced, hence why the highest number of car accidents is in the under 25 age group. But there are those on this site that are proof that some never change their viewpoint, no matter what evidence is given to them.

Labour did a lot more media work to access the youth vote (as well as bribing them), but whilst the BBC reality check rubbished most of labours claims, that didn't go out on social media, so I wonder if the tories will learn the same trick next time.

But if the Conservatices can struggle through till the the boundary changes come into effect, then they may not have to worry much.

 

[transam]

The young are always idealistic, but invariably inexperienced, hence why the highest number of car accidents is in the under 25 age group. But there are those on this site that are proof that some never change their viewpoint, no matter what evidence is given to them.

Labour did a lot more media work to access the youth vote (as well as bribing them), but whilst the BBC reality check rubbished most of labours claims, that didn't go out on social media, so I wonder if the tories will learn the same trick next time.

But if the Conservatices can struggle through till the the boundary changes come into effect, then they may not have to worry much.

I was a labour voter ,voted for Kinnock twice ,poster in window as well.Have never voted conservative.

Just do not bother any more have not voted since Kinnocks days

apart from the Brexit vote

 

[Doggit]

Now that's interesting Transam; for the most part, you've come across as more liberal and right wing than Labour. So why did you give up voting for them - or for anyone for that matter.

 

[Brigadier]

All the young need do is bide their time. Time will deal with the old fascists sooner rather than later.

Were "the old fascists" not "the young" of yesteryear?

 

[transam]

Now that's interesting Transam; for the most part, you've come across as more liberal and right wing than Labour. So why did you give up voting for them - or for anyone for that matter.

Was a great fan of Tony Benn in his day. I live in a tory area , I was one of only 3 people in our village that had a labour poster up in there window

use to put a red tie on to go and vote nearly joined the party ounce , a very good friend of mine was a labour candidate for the council he made several attempts to get in

never liked blair & his new labour slogan/party

just got older I suppose .

Keep this to yourself but

Corbyn probably represents the labour party that I used to vote for.& imho he is a decent bloke ,with noble policies jobs ,health, housing etc what is there in principal not to like.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I too have always lived in a Tory stronghold.

My vote has always been pointless so I gave up as well.

 

[Doggit]

But wouldn't that make him a bit of a dinosour, and I don't think the Labour party that he represents has any relevance today. As I've said before, we don't send little boys up chimneys, and there are no factories with spinning looms in them. 100 years ago, the Labour party was a necessity against the greed of the mill owners, but whilst times have changed, it seems as though the anger and resentment of the left hasn't. If Scargil hadn't tried to use the miners as a blunt instrument to take down the government, then I wonder if we would still have the resentment carrying on from the miners strikes. And if Len McClusky wasn't stirring up the unions unnecessarily, things would run a lot more smoothly. It allways seems to be the hard left that agitate against society, and stir up a hatred that might well have died by now.

Blair won by moving the labour party to the centre, and TM almost won by moving the Tories to the centre left, so I suspect that most people are middle of the road nowadays, except that the parties themselves are still trying to appeal to an electorate that doesn't truly exist any longer.

I think Corbyn is very genuine, but that still doesn't mean that the country would prosper under his leadership. Thatcher should never have sold off the council houses, but should have forced councils to rebuild their stock afterwards. House building went down under Tony Blair, and still hasn't improved enough under the Tories. I personally don't think any of them are much cop, but I do think the Tories are the lesser of the two evils.

 

[JohnD]

But wouldn't that make him a bit of a dinosour, and I don't think the Labour party that he represents has any relevance today.

That must explain why he has no popular support, and he didn't push the Labour vote up.

No, wait....

As I've said before, we don't send little boys up chimneys, and there are no factories with spinning looms in them. 100 years ago, the Labour party was a necessity against the greed of the mill owners, but whilst times have changed, it seems as though........

...Employers still want to abuse workers and take advantage of them as much as they can get away with.
Sports Direct? Zero-hours? Unpaid Internships? Uber Drivers with no employment rights? Workers paid less than the minimum wage? Pension funds looted and companies driven into bankruptcy by owners sucking the money out of Rover and BHS?

If Scargil hadn't tried to use the miners as a blunt instrument to take down the government

Scargill used to say that Thatcher hated the miners and the unions, and was willing to close Britain's coal industry in order to crush them

We now know he was right.

I wonder if we would still have the resentment carrying on from the...

...the politically-motivated destruction of the coal industry.

Yes, we would.

 

[EFLImpudence]

But wouldn't that make him a bit of a dinosour, and I don't think the Labour party that he represents has any relevance today. As I've said before, we don't send little boys up chimneys, and there are no factories with spinning looms in them.

There are still lots of underpaid (exploited) workers.

100 years ago, the Labour party was a necessity against the greed of the mill owners, but whilst times have changed, it seems as though the anger and resentment of the left hasn't.

See above.

If Scargil hadn't tried to use the miners as a blunt instrument to take down the government, then I wonder if we would still have the resentment carrying on from the miners strikes.

Is that the reason for any resentment or could it be the disgraceful behaviour of Thatcher and the fact that she won.

And if Len McClusky wasn't stirring up the unions unnecessarily, things would run a lot more smoothly.

Do you mean if they laid down and accepted everything without question?

It allways seems to be the hard left that agitate against society, and stir up a hatred that might well have died by now.

Do you think there is no hatred or contempt the other way round?

Blair won by moving the labour party to the centre, and TM almost won by moving the Tories to the centre left, so I suspect that most people are middle of the road nowadays, except that the parties themselves are still trying to appeal to an electorate that doesn't truly exist any longer.

So, they don't stand for what they believe in but say and do whatever is necessary to get the votes.
Is that how you think they should be?

I think Corbyn is very genuine,

So, why are he and people like him continually pilloried and ridiculed?
Do you think he may be feared more than is admitted?

but that still doesn't mean that the country would prosper under his leadership.

We may never know. There has never been a socialist government.

Thatcher should never have sold off the council houses,

True.

but should have forced councils to rebuild their stock afterwards.

She specifically forbad it.

House building went down under Tony Blair, and still hasn't improved enough under the Tories.

Do we know why?

I personally don't think any of them are much cop, but I do think the Tories are the lesser of the two evils.

Is that logical for you?

 

[noseall]

Were "the old fascists" not "the young" of yesteryear?

Correct. There are still a lot of poorly educated, backward thinking old duffers in the UK unfortunately. Hence RWR on this very section.

 

[Brigadier]

Correct. There are still a lot of poorly educated, backward thinking old duffers in the UK unfortunately. Hence RWR on this very section.

Does having a "plastic degree" make one "well-educated"?

 

[Ihavenojob]

It seems a lot of people are going for Non Valid Qualification's these days.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Does having a "plastic degree" make one "well-educated"?

It seems a lot of people are going for Non Valid Qualification's these days.

I do not think that only the 'degree' content is education. There is as much, maybe even more, education to be gained by experiencing the university life.
Similarly, travelling, one does not receive any formal education but it certainly adds to one's whole awareness of life and opens up one's 'world-vision'.
Also, the mantra that "one needs to learn how to learn" is an important skill that one attunes during secondary education.

 

[Doggit]

That must explain why he has no popular support, and he didn't push the Labour vote up.

But so did the conservatives vote, so maybe not so relavent.

Scargill used to say that Thatcher hated the miners and the unions, and was willing to close Britain's coal industry in order to crush them

We now know he was right.

Of course he was, but Scargil wanted to destroy the country, so who was worse. Scargil was unellected yet wanted to run the country, and he wouldn't have got anywhere if it wasn't for the unions. If he hadn't used the miners as cannon fodder against the UK, then maybe Thatcher wouldn't have had to break the back of the miners. Maybe Thatcher and Scargil was a case of which comes first, the chicken or the egg.

 

[JohnD]

Scargil wanted to destroy the country

Who told you that?