Harming children for no good reason

[JohnD]

feckless parents ...latest smartphone...clubbing it... fags, alcohol, designer gear...Sky/ Virgin Media/ BT

Your hatred of the poor is palpable.

You have convinced yourself that all these poor people are "feckless" and squander money on things you don't think they should have.

However the benefit cuts are not applied after an assessment of fecklessness and luxury.

 

[Roger928]

You have convinced yourself that all these poor people are "feckless

Obviously not all of them but quite a few.

 

[big-all]

Johnnyboy, do you think these children you keep on bleating about would eat better, be dressed better, if their feckless parents didn't crave the latest smartphone? Didn't spend money on clubbing it? Didn't spend money on , fags, alcohol, designer gear?
Have you grasped the fact that a lot of parents actually do have Sky/ Virgin Media/ BT ? (and are not prepared to give these up whatever the cost)
Do you think these kids would eat better if their parents were actually prepared to give up things that should be considered luxuries?
Nah didn't think so...

from your answer you seem to be posting from a position without knowing the full story
without actully knowing the situation you can only be guessing and usually often wrong
if you have never been on benefits or helped others fighting through the benefits system as i have you will never realize how laughable or inaccurate your comments are
its quite popular to assume the system is overly generous it is not

 

[Doggit]

the benefits cap is quite evil and fully the fault off politicians off all guises

Except that 80,000 families have come off benefits since the cap was introduced,
And why should someone on benefits earn more than the average wage.

you sell off the social housing cut price to bribe the voters and don't replace it then wonder why the housing bill rockets

I agree, but Labour didn't replace the housing stiock either.

you also overheat the housing market trying to get the economy going by freeing up peoples pension funds to invest in housing as its better than 0.025% returns on savings

The housing market was overheating well before the pension freedoms, partially because the social housing stock wasn't replaced, but more so becasue Labour allowed unrestricted immigration, and so that raised demand for housing.

you also allow unrestricted investment from abroad further inflating housing costs but worse still locking up properties that remain empty as only an investment as they dont wish to be a landlord

Correct; both governments (but especially the tories) should have restricted foreign investment in our housing market.

the cap is very random

Not random at all, it's set at a certain level, but will affect those in the cities more so than those in the suburbs. It will mean that a lot of people will (like most foreigners of all nationalities) to go from an x bedroom house, to having to use all the rooms as sleeping areas.

reducing the help from freinds and family as they are often moved away from there freinds and family by hundreds off miles so reduces there ability to work

Boy, what an exageration. Most won't have to move that far, but yes, will lose support from relatives, but as most of these people don't actually want to work, the last point is completely nonsensical, even though that's what the cap is intended to do.

 

[Doggit]

or helped others fighting through the benefits system as i have

Would you care to elaborate on the help you give, because having been a landlord to many many people on housing benefit, I know how generous it can be, how they spend it, and how they even make money on the side as well.

 

[big-all]

Except that 80,000 families have come off benefits since the cap was introduced,
And why should someone on benefits earn more than the average wage.



I agree, but Labour didn't replace the housing stiock either.



The housing market was overheating well before the pension freedoms, partially because the social housing stock wasn't replaced, but more so becasue Labour allowed unrestricted immigration, and so that raised demand for housing.



Correct; both governments (but especially the tories) should have restricted foreign investment in our housing market.



Not random at all, it's set at a certain level, but will affect those in the cities more so than those in the suburbs. It will mean that a lot of people will (like most foreigners of all nationalities) to go from an x bedroom house, to having to use all the rooms as sleeping areas.



Boy, what an exageration. Most won't have to move that far, but yes, will lose support from relatives, but as most of these people don't actually want to work, the last point is completely nonsensical, even though that's what the cap is intended to do.

not an exageration in the the least
they have to offer housing to people with children within the cap
many people from london have been offered accomodation in luton leeds or birmingham as they only need to provide accomodation then they can wash there hands as they have made a housing offer ---- please do your research if you dont realize how bad it is you wont be fully informed

 

[Doggit]

Oh dear, typical people on benefits situation. The councils have to do the work, because the tenants can't/wont/are to lazy to.

And I'm so sorry Big-all that I'm not as clever as you are. I'll try and do better next time

 

[JohnD]

most of these people don't actually want to work

How lovely that you've carried out a comprehensive study into the contents of their minds.

When will you be publishing your report so it can be evaluated?

 

[big-all]

Oh dear, typical people on benefits situation. The councils have to do the work, because the tenants can't/wont/are to lazy to.

And I'm so sorry Big-all that I'm not as clever as you are. I'll try and do better next time

if the housing is not available within the level set by the cap it cannot be found
its a shame you dont seem to have any compassion and seem to spend a lot off time attacking the often vulnerable rather than offering help as i do

 

[Brigadier]

Do you think benefits should be uncapped then, JD?

 

[Ian H]

There are plenty in need that don't get enough and plenty not in need that rinse the system. It's 'the system' that's at fault for allowing that.

I know a girl, 30odd years old that rinses it. She is a mother of a 13 year old girl and has a live in boyfriend, neither of them work. They live in a nice house on a quiet street round the corner from my parents.

She somehow manages to claim to be disabled with a bad back but spends plenty of time in the gym, running and dancing around ****ed.

She got a new Golf on Motorbility before she even passed her driving test and had a free repair done to it when she crashed it into a curb before she passed her test.

Getting the car reduced her benefit but she still manages to keep up with the latest phones for her and her daughter, the curved tv, the Apple Mac, the iPad, the list goes on...

She smokes, drinks, doesn't do drugs, has a dog and even managed 3 months at her majesty's pleasure a couple of years ago for fraud.



It's cheats like her that are doing the harm and there are obviously many many like her. If the cheats were dealt with the cap could be raised for those in genuine need.

And as for the government wanting to harm children, that's one of the most stupid things I've heard, utter bullshit. I don't know if your trying to turn everyone to the Labour Party by constantly slagging off the Conservatives but for me, your doing the opposite.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

I had to buy a house I could afford, in an area that I could afford. Only have two kids cos that's all I could afford. Always wanted a Porsche but doubt I'll ever afford one. I find it difficult to stomach people who do fook all, whilst getting everything provided, demanding housing in an area I wouldn't have a snowball in hells chance of affording.

 

[Doggit]

When will you be publishing your report so it can be evaluated?

The same day that you stop posting ridiculous things that you can't justify either. Having been a landlord to many on benefits, I suspect I've got a lot more experience of them to justify my comments than you do.

its a shame you dont seem to have any compassion and seem to spend a lot off time attacking the often vulnerable rather than offering help as i do

Sorry, but I've had most of the compassion knocked out of be by the so called vulnerable.

And did I miss where you posted exactly what you suppsedly do to help those aformentioned, so called vulnerable.

 

[JohnD]

Another landlord who doesn't like being in the business. And makes up statistics and circulates tales that reinforce his prejudices.

Perhaps you should find a less troublesome investment that will suit you better.

 

[Doggit]

Now what makes you think I don't like being in the business; it's just the benefits tenants that I won't bother with any longer. I've done my share of being charitable to the underpriveleged and got nocked by them too often; what about you though; what good works have you done for them, and what experience do you actually have.